***GROUP PURCHASE***
Update information and prices included
Group buy benefit detailed towards the bottom of the post!
Hi all. I am organizing a group buy for some MMP ceramic ball bearing turbos built to replace the CT26 found on the 4.2L Toyota diesel 1HD-T & 1HD-FT as well as the CT20B found on the 1HD-FTE 4.2L motors. These turbos will also work well with a turbo 4.2L 1HZ setup.
This is a continuation of my earlier group buy post as I now have a confirmed price structure.
Product highlights
These turbos are 98% Australian manufactured assemblies. Only the ceramic balls (used in the bearings) and the billet compressor wheels are imported. Both of these components are imported out of Germany and MMP do not use any Chinese or South East Asian components in this turbo. All the castings are supplied from local manufactures and all machining is done in Victoria. The bearing cartridges used in these turbos are made in house utilising 10 ceramic balls per bearing supported by steel cages. As MMP make the bearings, assemble, QA and balance in house, the turbo is completely rebuild-able, unlike some ball bearing turbos. As ball bearing turbos require less oil lubrication than journal bearing turbos, an oil restrictor is already installed in the CHRA.
Ball Bearing Turbo Benefits
The major advantage of using ball bearings over journal & bushed bearings in a turbocharger is that the ball bearing cartridge will have up to 50% less shaft torque losses. This means there is less exhaust drive energy required to spin the shaft (including exhaust turbine and compressor wheel). This efficiency gain is contributed to the fact that the ball bearings have a lower frictional loss than the journal bearings at low shaft speeds and that the ball bearings are also designed to handle the thrust loading that is otherwise relegated to thrust bushings. Generally this efficiency benefit translates to a 15% lower engine rpm to spool the turbo and this advantage is maintained up to a shaft speed of approximately 120000 rpm. At this speed the benefits taper off and the two turbo bearing designs will perform comparatively.
Performance
In real world testing on a 1HD-T this turbo has made 545 Ft-lb (738.9 nm) of torque with a peak power of 238 HP (177.5 kW) at all wheels at 25 psi boost pressure. These turbos can deliver 14 psi @ 1650 rpm and 25+ psi @ 1900 rpm and are still capable of efficiently pushing 35+ psi to redline.
I have included a dyno print of one of these turbos fitted on a 1HD-FTE that is also fitted with a performance chip, 3" mandrel bent exhaust, cross country top mount intercooler, safari snorkel, stock air box modified to a 4" exit and 4" pipe work to the compressor housing inlet.
Warranty
All MMP turbos ship with an international, unlimited kilometer 12 month warranty. MMP have stockists in California and Alabama in the USA, Osaki in Japan, Cork in Ireland, Sheffield in the UK, and every state in Australia. Any warranty work will only require a return to a stockist.
Fit Up
The hot side of these turbos will directly bolt up to the stock CT26 exhaust manifold and dump pipe. The compressor delivery outlet is the same size as the 1HD-T & 1HD-FT CT26 so will plumb up to the existing pipe work. The outer diameter of the stock CT26 compressor housings inlet on the 1HD-T & 1HD-FT is 70mm and the compressor inlet on this MMP turbo is 77mm. While this is an increase in size, it can be accommodated by the stock rubber pipe work with the encouragement of a heat gun and some lubrication in the form of dish-washing liquid. For a 1HD-FTE turbo CT20B replacement, modification to both the compressor inlet and outlet pipe work will be required. As these turbos use a custom bearing core CHRA, the stock oil and water lines will require changes.
Recommended Retail Price
These turbos normally sell for the RRP of AU$2550 Inc GST. For this price you receive the turbo, both exhaust housing gaskets, 8 M10 x 1.25 studs, 8 locknuts and the warranty as described above. To fit this turbo to your cruiser you will have to source and fit a waste gate actuator and modify your water and oil lines to suit this CHRA.
Group Buy Benefits
By participating in this group buy you will receive the above turbocharger plus the benefits listed below.
Waste gate Actuator - There will be several choices here depending on your desired boost control method. You may choose a single port waste gate (Turbosmart IWG75) in Black or Blue with your choice of gate spring pressure for standalone use or use with a manual or an electronic boost controller, or you may chose a dual port actuator for use with a compatible electronic boost controller. If you would like to purchase an electronic boost controller as part of this purchase, please see the detail below.
Oil/Water Lines - Shipped with this turbo will be replacement oil supply, oil return and coolant water lines, including all fittings required for assembly. A hard oil supply line is included to adapt/replace your original turbo oil supply line. Using a hard lines retains OEM style reliability and eliminates any potential heat, vibration, wear and or salinity (rust) related issues sometimes found using a braded line in these applications. The oil return line will return the oil to the original stock drain position. The coolant water lines will also be a hard line setup for the benefits listed above.
If you are replacing a 1HD-FTE CT20B turbo, an 'FTE fitting kit' can be supplied with a small cost including 2 silicon adaptors and 2 Wiggins clamps to adapt the turbo compressor housing to your pipe work.
Group Buy Price
The group buy price will vary depending on the number of turbos sold but will include delivery and align with the numbers below.
10 to 15 turbos sold ---> AU$1995 Exc GST, AU$2195 Inc GST
15 to 20 turbos sold ---> AU$1805 Exc GST, AU$1985 Inc GST
20+ turbos sold --------> AU$1660 Exc GST, AU$1825 Inc GST
International Buyers will be charged the above figure excluding GST but will be charged your countries import taxes & duties.
For comparison of the RRP and the benefit gained with this group buy, I will list the RRP of parts included and optional purchases. Note all prices are in AU$ and include 10% GST.
Item____________________RRP_____Group Buy Price
CT26BB________________$2350
Turbosmart IWG75_______$ 220
Hardline Kit_____________$ 350
Postage_________________$ 45
Total___________________$2965______$1825 - $2195 depending on numbers sold
Optional extra purchases as part of the group buy. RRP Vs Group price including GST
Turbosmart Eboost
Street 40psi____________$ 495.95_____$ 410
Turbosmart Electronic
Boost Gauge Kit________$ 124.90_____$ 105
Turbosmart EGT
Gauge Kit_____________$ 203.96_____$ 185
FTE Fitting Kit__________$ 145.00_____$ 100
Delivery
As stated above the group buy price will include delivery. Due to the interest/demand, the expected date for shipment from Victoria will be late April.
Questions & Confirmation
If you would like to participate in this group buy or have any questions, please comment on this post or shoot me a PM. I will try to answer as promptly as I can. If you comment on this post with your interest or intention to purchase I will send you a PM with questions that you will have to answer before the final payment date below. I am happy to accept your commitment based on sale numbers. For example you will commit to a purchase if there are 15 or more people buying but not if there is 14, therefore at the higher price point let me know and I will record this. Please be genuine and realistic. If 30 people say they will purchase at the 20+ price, I will expect 30 people to buy a turbo. If you would like to vary any of the inclusions from what is stated above, comment or send me a PM and I will see what I can do.
Cut Off & Payment Dates
The cut off date to participate in this group buy will be Monday 27th of March. All interested parties will be required to confirm their commitment by this date to qualify for the group purchase.
Once your participation is confirmed, I will send you some questions to answer (e.g. waste gate preference and spring tension) and payment details. This payment will be required in full on or before the 31st of March. Failure to pay will result in your exclusion from this group purchase.
Disclaimer
While I am organising this group buy, I have no affiliation to MMP or this Facebook page/forum. I am organising this group buy because I think this is a great product and by doing this we ALL get this product at a substantial discount!
Updates
As I am posting this group buy on multiple sites I will keep this post updated with interest/commitment numbers as often as I can.
For the people who have expressed interest in this group buy already I will tag you or send you a PM to confirm your interest now that we have hard numbers.
FYI I have 19 people that have expressed interest in this group buy already. This number will change as we progress.
Cheers
Tom Dibdin
Edit to add pics
Edited to correct final payment date
Update information and prices included
Group buy benefit detailed towards the bottom of the post!
Hi all. I am organizing a group buy for some MMP ceramic ball bearing turbos built to replace the CT26 found on the 4.2L Toyota diesel 1HD-T & 1HD-FT as well as the CT20B found on the 1HD-FTE 4.2L motors. These turbos will also work well with a turbo 4.2L 1HZ setup.
This is a continuation of my earlier group buy post as I now have a confirmed price structure.
Product highlights
These turbos are 98% Australian manufactured assemblies. Only the ceramic balls (used in the bearings) and the billet compressor wheels are imported. Both of these components are imported out of Germany and MMP do not use any Chinese or South East Asian components in this turbo. All the castings are supplied from local manufactures and all machining is done in Victoria. The bearing cartridges used in these turbos are made in house utilising 10 ceramic balls per bearing supported by steel cages. As MMP make the bearings, assemble, QA and balance in house, the turbo is completely rebuild-able, unlike some ball bearing turbos. As ball bearing turbos require less oil lubrication than journal bearing turbos, an oil restrictor is already installed in the CHRA.
Ball Bearing Turbo Benefits
The major advantage of using ball bearings over journal & bushed bearings in a turbocharger is that the ball bearing cartridge will have up to 50% less shaft torque losses. This means there is less exhaust drive energy required to spin the shaft (including exhaust turbine and compressor wheel). This efficiency gain is contributed to the fact that the ball bearings have a lower frictional loss than the journal bearings at low shaft speeds and that the ball bearings are also designed to handle the thrust loading that is otherwise relegated to thrust bushings. Generally this efficiency benefit translates to a 15% lower engine rpm to spool the turbo and this advantage is maintained up to a shaft speed of approximately 120000 rpm. At this speed the benefits taper off and the two turbo bearing designs will perform comparatively.
Performance
In real world testing on a 1HD-T this turbo has made 545 Ft-lb (738.9 nm) of torque with a peak power of 238 HP (177.5 kW) at all wheels at 25 psi boost pressure. These turbos can deliver 14 psi @ 1650 rpm and 25+ psi @ 1900 rpm and are still capable of efficiently pushing 35+ psi to redline.
I have included a dyno print of one of these turbos fitted on a 1HD-FTE that is also fitted with a performance chip, 3" mandrel bent exhaust, cross country top mount intercooler, safari snorkel, stock air box modified to a 4" exit and 4" pipe work to the compressor housing inlet.
Warranty
All MMP turbos ship with an international, unlimited kilometer 12 month warranty. MMP have stockists in California and Alabama in the USA, Osaki in Japan, Cork in Ireland, Sheffield in the UK, and every state in Australia. Any warranty work will only require a return to a stockist.
Fit Up
The hot side of these turbos will directly bolt up to the stock CT26 exhaust manifold and dump pipe. The compressor delivery outlet is the same size as the 1HD-T & 1HD-FT CT26 so will plumb up to the existing pipe work. The outer diameter of the stock CT26 compressor housings inlet on the 1HD-T & 1HD-FT is 70mm and the compressor inlet on this MMP turbo is 77mm. While this is an increase in size, it can be accommodated by the stock rubber pipe work with the encouragement of a heat gun and some lubrication in the form of dish-washing liquid. For a 1HD-FTE turbo CT20B replacement, modification to both the compressor inlet and outlet pipe work will be required. As these turbos use a custom bearing core CHRA, the stock oil and water lines will require changes.
Recommended Retail Price
These turbos normally sell for the RRP of AU$2550 Inc GST. For this price you receive the turbo, both exhaust housing gaskets, 8 M10 x 1.25 studs, 8 locknuts and the warranty as described above. To fit this turbo to your cruiser you will have to source and fit a waste gate actuator and modify your water and oil lines to suit this CHRA.
Group Buy Benefits
By participating in this group buy you will receive the above turbocharger plus the benefits listed below.
Waste gate Actuator - There will be several choices here depending on your desired boost control method. You may choose a single port waste gate (Turbosmart IWG75) in Black or Blue with your choice of gate spring pressure for standalone use or use with a manual or an electronic boost controller, or you may chose a dual port actuator for use with a compatible electronic boost controller. If you would like to purchase an electronic boost controller as part of this purchase, please see the detail below.
Oil/Water Lines - Shipped with this turbo will be replacement oil supply, oil return and coolant water lines, including all fittings required for assembly. A hard oil supply line is included to adapt/replace your original turbo oil supply line. Using a hard lines retains OEM style reliability and eliminates any potential heat, vibration, wear and or salinity (rust) related issues sometimes found using a braded line in these applications. The oil return line will return the oil to the original stock drain position. The coolant water lines will also be a hard line setup for the benefits listed above.
If you are replacing a 1HD-FTE CT20B turbo, an 'FTE fitting kit' can be supplied with a small cost including 2 silicon adaptors and 2 Wiggins clamps to adapt the turbo compressor housing to your pipe work.
Group Buy Price
The group buy price will vary depending on the number of turbos sold but will include delivery and align with the numbers below.
10 to 15 turbos sold ---> AU$1995 Exc GST, AU$2195 Inc GST
15 to 20 turbos sold ---> AU$1805 Exc GST, AU$1985 Inc GST
20+ turbos sold --------> AU$1660 Exc GST, AU$1825 Inc GST
International Buyers will be charged the above figure excluding GST but will be charged your countries import taxes & duties.
For comparison of the RRP and the benefit gained with this group buy, I will list the RRP of parts included and optional purchases. Note all prices are in AU$ and include 10% GST.
Item____________________RRP_____Group Buy Price
CT26BB________________$2350
Turbosmart IWG75_______$ 220
Hardline Kit_____________$ 350
Postage_________________$ 45
Total___________________$2965______$1825 - $2195 depending on numbers sold
Optional extra purchases as part of the group buy. RRP Vs Group price including GST
Turbosmart Eboost
Street 40psi____________$ 495.95_____$ 410
Turbosmart Electronic
Boost Gauge Kit________$ 124.90_____$ 105
Turbosmart EGT
Gauge Kit_____________$ 203.96_____$ 185
FTE Fitting Kit__________$ 145.00_____$ 100
Delivery
As stated above the group buy price will include delivery. Due to the interest/demand, the expected date for shipment from Victoria will be late April.
Questions & Confirmation
If you would like to participate in this group buy or have any questions, please comment on this post or shoot me a PM. I will try to answer as promptly as I can. If you comment on this post with your interest or intention to purchase I will send you a PM with questions that you will have to answer before the final payment date below. I am happy to accept your commitment based on sale numbers. For example you will commit to a purchase if there are 15 or more people buying but not if there is 14, therefore at the higher price point let me know and I will record this. Please be genuine and realistic. If 30 people say they will purchase at the 20+ price, I will expect 30 people to buy a turbo. If you would like to vary any of the inclusions from what is stated above, comment or send me a PM and I will see what I can do.
Cut Off & Payment Dates
The cut off date to participate in this group buy will be Monday 27th of March. All interested parties will be required to confirm their commitment by this date to qualify for the group purchase.
Once your participation is confirmed, I will send you some questions to answer (e.g. waste gate preference and spring tension) and payment details. This payment will be required in full on or before the 31st of March. Failure to pay will result in your exclusion from this group purchase.
Disclaimer
While I am organising this group buy, I have no affiliation to MMP or this Facebook page/forum. I am organising this group buy because I think this is a great product and by doing this we ALL get this product at a substantial discount!
Updates
As I am posting this group buy on multiple sites I will keep this post updated with interest/commitment numbers as often as I can.
For the people who have expressed interest in this group buy already I will tag you or send you a PM to confirm your interest now that we have hard numbers.
FYI I have 19 people that have expressed interest in this group buy already. This number will change as we progress.
Cheers
Tom Dibdin
Edit to add pics
Edited to correct final payment date
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