Ford V8 in FJ80????

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I would ditch swapping engines.

and move into a second case.

h55/4.7toy box/60 series case.

HP is not needed for wheeling brotha....unless you like driving fast to the trails
 
I want auto...and I want more power for the places in between and just horsing around. I want a truck that can take a beating everywhere, and have more power than I need (I'm sick and tired of lack of power).
 
Get rid of the auto then:D

Dropping that lets the 3fe roar.

plus silly gearing will bring more control than an auto will, especially down hill


Edit: are you even geared?
 
Nope, but I figure I should wait to regear for when I want to lock the front. And I figure if I'm gonna lock the front I might as well replace the birfs with longs and go chromo inners. And hell, if I'm doing that I might as well go portals. And if I'm going portals, I might as well go 3-link. And if I'm 3-linking, why not go ahead and do coil-overs.

I'm looking for some cheap used 4.88s or 5.29s, but I just hate to spend money on locking, gearing, and beefing my stock axles, when I could probably save that money, sell my axles as is, and pay for portals.

Plus I can get the engines so damn cheap...and I have decided that I would take the 351w out of my F-150 and put it in the LC, and take an 390 or 460 and throw it in the F-150. Use stock toy stuff and go with whatever crawler choice seems best at the time.

Although I could also just beef, lock, and regear my stock axles and probably do everything I want to do, maybe add a crawler solution. Maybe turbo and/or 2F block the 3FE....ugh.

I just hate selling myself short on a mod, and wishing I had done the next step up instead.
 
Portals are cool. I just dont think you are there yet. Plus you wont get much for the 80 series axles you have now. The cruiser axles can take a hell of a beating. If Action Jackson can wheel his 80 on 40s, I am willing to bet you will be a-ok.

You need gearing first and for most for a rock crawler. The 3fe has plenty of low end. First fix your gearing problem first. You have been listening to those 1fz freaks nock the 3fe long enough that it has finally gotten to you.

You have a much better platform with the 3fe then an 80 with a 1fz.
Do you have any idea the choices you have to the gearing that bolts up behind that thing? There are so many adapters out its not funny. Get a 85-87 bellhousing from a fj60 that is stamped 3F and your golden. an h42,h55 can easly be bolted right up. Plus the load of adapters out there that can have you behind an assload of other auto trannys and Sm465s,420s...etcetc.

Without gearing of coarse you 3fe is going to feel slugish. Even with 5.29s and an auto you will get some grunt back.

Just because you can get an engine cheap doesnt mean its a good idea. I think you should fix the problems you have now, get the gearing you need and once you have figured that out, maybe work on 3linking the front for more flex...

I think you you are getting a bit ahead of yourself. Dont be afraid to pop your first cherry and destroy a birf or two and move on to chromos...
 
Putting a nice 351 in my 80 has been in the back of my mind since I found out they make an adapter to do so.

This project has always had a start date of 2 years + from now, I was just gonna pick a motor, and start gathering the junk I need so that 2 or 3 years from now, I could start.

I would love for my 80 to be a stick on the street, but an auto in the dirt and rocks. I dont want to have to screw with a clutch all day and have wheeling be a workout more than a hobby or time to just enjoy myself.

I'm also not that great at fabbing stuff that looks as good as I want it to. So if I'm chopping up my floor and loosing all the factory consol stuff, I'm gonna want something back in its place, but I dont want it all ugly. That's what's causing me to try and keep my factory transmission.

And going through the hassle of swapping in all the stuff necessary to go manual, hell I might as well just get the A440 rebuilt and throw some low-range gears in my stock t-case.

Lowtide, did you ever figure out if the 62 case works behind the 80's A440? If so, couldn't I use a 62 case with some sort of reduction? Aren't there plenty of options if you use just a 62 series transfercase?
 
alkaline747trio said:
I would love for my 80 to be a stick on the street, but an auto in the dirt and rocks. I dont want to have to screw with a clutch all day and have wheeling be a workout more than a hobby or time to just enjoy myself.
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I just installed a kit in my auto to do basically what you said. I got a manual shift kit for my 4L80e. It only shifts when I move the shifter and stays in the gear I've choosen. It should be like a manual without a clutch. Sadly, I'm still in project mode so I can only dream of how it's really going to work but that's what the marketing tells me. Don't have a clue if there is a kit like that for your auto though.
 
I can pretty much do that already with first and second, and there is a mod to be able to do it with 3rd. Which makes keeping the A440 a pretty sweet deal, IF I do the Extreme VB from Wholesale transmissions in Oz.
 
tntoyota said:
Then sell'em use the money to help finance portals, 3 link, etc.



that would be the best mod :D (not putting a ford in it)
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So, how many fords have you had personal experience?

fuel injected 351 would give you plenty of power. AND be nice and reliable..

Or were you one of the " all fords get 6 mpg camp??"
 
Trailer Queen or Driver?

Mace said:
So, how many fords have you had personal experience?

fuel injected 351 would give you plenty of power. AND be nice and reliable..

Or were you one of the " all fords get 6 mpg camp??"
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:confused::confused:


You asked!!



I look at things very simple: Camp Simple


"So, how many fords have you had personal experience?"

1: The best form of advertisement is word of mouth ;) never said anything bad about ford (they suck :D ), WILL say Toy will out live it though.......



2: Why go through so much?

Hold it........lets REverse engineer this, Volvo axles, a possable C4/C6 (< OD??)


And your telling me you MUST have more power? Cuz you can GET a motor? (Hell, I can get motors!!)

Bad enough to deal with the EZ :rolleyes: task as otheres have stated aswell, of engine fab, suspension fab, fuel, exh, elec, FI, shafts, adaptors, odd & ends, how the interier will look, practicality

Volvos 2MK have very tall gearing so will this truck ever see HWY?

Then you better get some 44's + to take up the gearing to do HWY speeds (bye bye low speed torque)................44's wont fit w/ stock ride hight...........Volvos over 6" offset ? (44's, lift, portals and 70mph!!)


or cam it to the moon, (possable. 6 mpg ;)) and wheres the practicality in any of those?


Bet you wish you had OD now, ya did!!! And a heavier duty one at that!! Already fited, shafted and shiftered..........................





Saab motors are $150 a piece!!!!! :eek:


Rovers are a little more so I'd stay away ;)



You got a motor IMHO under the hood RIGHT NOW that will more than do da job.


Low end Torque and will turn high rpm too. No cuts, no fuss, no muss!
 
tntoyota is a Pickle Pusher







Oh and a 3FE in an 80 will never "more than do da job"
 
The 3fe with an auto is slugish in everything it was ever put in period. Much less an 80.

The issue with keeping an automatic tranny in the truck is that no one makes an adaptor from an AOD to a LC t-case. You could adapt the AOD to a mini truck case but than you have a centered rear output on the t-case.

You could use a C4 and adapt it to an Orion but the C4 sucks w/ no overdrive.

You could keep the A440 but it would never last behind a smallblock.

If you switch to a manual trany you have a few more options. The best would be a marks adaptor to a H55 5 speed and late split case.

You could also use a ford trany and adapt it to a Orion or LC split case.
 
tntoyota said:
But I'm the only Fxxxing one that suggested keeping the 3fe right?
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If you would read the title of the post you would clearly see that he is past that. Thanks for your help.
 
C4 is an OD transmission, C6 isn't. Volvo alxles I would get are 5.99s, not 7.XXs, not too outrageous on 40" tires now is it? A440 rebuilt and modded by wholesale transmissions in Australia is more than capable of holding up to a 351, even a built large block wouldn't bust it in 50k miles.

C4 - 203 - FJ60 split case...IF I go with Ford drivetrain.
 
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