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Tim,

Check out Tony's hinges. those are different than what we have. his seem to come straight out of the hinge slot with no flare, then the pin eyeholes curl back...but they are farther from the vehicle than the drip rail. That could account for the "pushing forward" that we couldn't achieve, also his door hinges have a narrower "raised bump" it appears. Do we think the hinges could be wrong?

also, he mentioned the rear of the cab could be tweaked forward...and we did get narrowing measurements as we went up??
 
abecker said:
Tim,

Check out Tony's hinges. those are different than what we have. his seem to come straight out of the hinge slot with no flare, then the pin eyeholes curl back...but they are farther from the vehicle than the drip rail. That could account for the "pushing forward" that we couldn't achieve, also his door hinges have a narrower "raised bump" it appears. Do we think the hinges could be wrong?


also, he mentioned the rear of the cab could be tweaked forward...and we did get narrowing measurements as we went up??
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Hinges look the same- if anything-your's may be farther forward by a fraction- will check later tonight and see if I can get some pictures

His doors meassured the same as yours, and we know the opening is almost 1" shorther soooooo........I still think we have a basic width to opening issue- Or we both are just to stooopid to figure it out:doh:

Waiting on the lifeline thrown out to Mark or someone with a 64 SWB fixed top that can measure their door opening at the cowl
 
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Waiting on the lifeline thrown out to Mark or someone with a 64 SWB fixed top that can measure their door opening at the cowl[/quote]

yeah, me too, tornadoalleycruiser was following this, his avatar shows a fixed roof I believe, hopefully he comes up big with that measurement if Mark isn't around (HINT) ;)

I don't mind one of us being too stupid but both of us is kind of embarassing....
 
Interesting thread. I'm now concerned about my door plans on my 64 FJ45 LWB removable top. I have two sets of doors, a set of the bug catchers with top lip and a set with the center pivot wing vent type. Don't know the year of these but I planned to use the uppers from the center pivot vents with the lowers from the bug catcher doors. Now, I'm not sure this will work. I'll try to get some measurements tonight.
 
miker said:
Interesting thread. I'm now concerned about my door plans on my 64 FJ45 LWB removable top. I have two sets of doors, a set of the bug catchers with top lip and a set with the center pivot wing vent type. Don't know the year of these but I planned to use the uppers from the center pivot vents with the lowers from the bug catcher doors. Now, I'm not sure this will work. I'll try to get some measurements tonight.
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Mike-

I mentioned this as a solution to my bug catcher unobtanium problem to Mark and he gave it the ixnay. Maybe he'll stumble outside the yellow line and post up rather than laughing at us from a distance...



:grinpimp:


Aaron/Tim...
I'm also happy to post up any pics you might need now that I'm home. I don't have a fixed cab or later early doors but do have 65 SWB R/T doors and the earlier door tops w/ no lip... :rolleyes:
 
1. FWIW, I have NEVER owned or worked on a fixed top 45.

2. AFAIK [and I'm flattered at how much credit you guys give me] there is NO difference in the dimension of the LOWER HALF of the doors between the 40 and 45 thru the years. I've spoken to dozens of guys who have cut up and mounted early 63 and 64 doors on newer rigs without issue, so there has never been any reason to suspect otherwise.

3. As I mentioned in SEVERAL other thread on the subject, the upper frames existed in two variations for the bugcatcher, as well as the one with the center pivot, and they are NOT interchangeable. The glass of one bugcatcher is ONE INCH taller in the square-top model than in the one with the upper trim.

4. It has been my hunch since I saw this thread last night that Aaron's cab is different from everyone elses. The ONLY relevant information in my mind at this point is door opening measurements from other fixed top owners. But my hunch tells me there openings will also be larger than Aaron's.

I think you should modify the body half of the hinges[bend forward], slot the door half of the hinges and trim the leading edge of the doors [that's the side that whistles in the wind anyways!] until they fit your tub.

Good luck

Best

Mark A.
 
miker said:
Interesting thread. I'm now concerned about my door plans on my 64 FJ45 LWB removable top. I have two sets of doors, a set of the bug catchers with top lip and a set with the center pivot wing vent type. Don't know the year of these but I planned to use the uppers from the center pivot vents with the lowers from the bug catcher doors. Now, I'm not sure this will work. I'll try to get some measurements tonight.
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For YOUR situation, simply measure across the very top of BOTH sets of doors you have, and compare them to the opening on your 45. On MY 64 removable top, the center pivot vent window type doors were too wide. Landpimp warned me about this 4 years ago, but I still went ahead and wasted the better part of an hour confirming it for myself.:rolleyes:

Best

Mark A.
 
Stupid question...has the tub been redone?

Maybe someone missed a little here, and a little there, when they rebuilt the tub, and now your doors, or any doors won't fit. It would also account for the top part of the aft part of the door jam tilting fwd as you mentioned in one post...cause the bottom is too long, and they needed to "bend" the top part forward for the top to fit...does this make any sense to any one else?

Post up pictures of your hinges, as it sounds like the may be bent fwd.
 
65swb45 said:
For YOUR situation, simply measure across the very top of BOTH sets of doors you have, and compare them to the opening on your 45. On MY 64 removable top, the center pivot vent window type doors were too wide. Landpimp warned me about this 4 years ago, but I still went ahead and wasted the better part of an hour confirming it for myself.:rolleyes:

Best

Mark A.
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Thanks Mark.

This probably does not help anyone else but last night, I measured both sets of doors I have. Again, one set appears to be the original doors for my fj45 lwb removeable top cab because they were on the truck when I bought it and the colors of the doors match the color of the cab. These are also the bug catcher style which I believe is the correct type for a '64 or '65 fj45. These are 34" wide. I also measured the other set of doors I have which are the center pivot wing vent style and these too are 34" wide. I have no idea of the year of this particular set of doors. The tops of each set of doors also have the full lip. As far as I can tell, both sets of doors are dimensionally the same. So, for me, my plan to use the center pivot wing vent style in the 45 cab should work.
 
65swb45 said:
4. It has been my hunch since I saw this thread last night that Aaron's cab is different from everyone elses. The ONLY relevant information in my mind at this point is door opening measurements from other fixed top owners. But my hunch tells me there openings will also be larger than Aaron's.

I think you should modify the body half of the hinges[bend forward], slot the door half of the hinges and trim the leading edge of the doors [that's the side that whistles in the wind anyways!] until they fit your tub.

Good luck

Best

Mark A.
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Yep- I am thinking Aaron has a one off model. Maybe it was made on a monday morning by someone with a bad Sake hangover:D. The door opening difference is the key factor- you just can't make it up without some type of modification to the door and hinges.

I also was thinking about modifying the leading edge as you described. I think we will have to shave the leading edge of the door to allow the front to move forward and modify the hinges as well.

Thanks again for replying - Just wanted to hear your thoughts and see if we were overlooking anything that your vast wealth of knowledge could offer;).

My wife said no FJ! said:
Stupid question...has the tub been redone? .
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No-Tub was not molested by us and it does not appear to have ever been separated from the cowl.

Tim:steer:
 
65swb45 said:
1. FWIW, I have NEVER owned or worked on a fixed top 45.

2. AFAIK [and I'm flattered at how much credit you guys give me] there is NO difference in the dimension of the LOWER HALF of the doors between the 40 and 45 thru the years. I've spoken to dozens of guys who have cut up and mounted early 63 and 64 doors on newer rigs without issue, so there has never been any reason to suspect otherwise.

3. As I mentioned in SEVERAL other thread on the subject, the upper frames existed in two variations for the bugcatcher, as well as the one with the center pivot, and they are NOT interchangeable. The glass of one bugcatcher is ONE INCH taller in the square-top model than in the one with the upper trim.

4. It has been my hunch since I saw this thread last night that Aaron's cab is different from everyone elses. The ONLY relevant information in my mind at this point is door opening measurements from other fixed top owners. But my hunch tells me there openings will also be larger than Aaron's.

I think you should modify the body half of the hinges[bend forward], slot the door half of the hinges and trim the leading edge of the doors [that's the side that whistles in the wind anyways!] until they fit your tub.

Good luck

Best

Mark A.
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Thanks Mark!

rockcod said:
Hey Aaron,

I don't know if this was asked or mentioned, but what happened to the doors that were on the cab in the first place? Was the truck complete when you bought it?
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Yeah, I pieced this thing together. It came with one Early early style door and at the time couldn't find another so I bought another set of doors which now turn out to be the '67-'74 doors.

My wife said no FJ! said:
Stupid question...has the tub been redone?

Maybe someone missed a little here, and a little there, when they rebuilt the tub, and now your doors, or any doors won't fit. It would also account for the top part of the aft part of the door jam tilting fwd as you mentioned in one post...cause the bottom is too long, and they needed to "bend" the top part forward for the top to fit...does this make any sense to any one else?

Post up pictures of your hinges, as it sounds like the may be bent fwd.
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Too clean, 99% certain that it wasn't molested.

miker said:
Thanks Mark.

This probably does not help anyone else but last night, I measured both sets of doors I have. Again, one set appears to be the original doors for my fj45 lwb removeable top cab because they were on the truck when I bought it and the colors of the doors match the color of the cab. These are also the bug catcher style which I believe is the correct type for a '64 or '65 fj45. These are 34" wide. I also measured the other set of doors I have which are the center pivot wing vent style and these too are 34" wide. I have no idea of the year of this particular set of doors. The tops of each set of doors also have the full lip. As far as I can tell, both sets of doors are dimensionally the same. So, for me, my plan to use the center pivot wing vent style in the 45 cab should work.
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Thanks Miker for the measurements. We too came up with 34" wide, but didn't have the Early early ones to measure.


Mudrack has swing vent type doors on his F/T. So its possible to do, the question is how involved is it? I tried to PM him but an error code comes up each time. Any one know him or how to get a hold of him?

Aaron
 
Sorry.. Holidays and working 2 jobs .
Yes I have a swb 45 fixed top of 64 vintage.. I have a spare set of doors downstairs I purchased with the correct top bugcatcher in the basement of the other house. (in process of moving and 45 and cruiser parts have not moved yet) I had sent my doors off my 45 to chef.. His had bigger issues than he wanted to face and he needed bits off my doors.. And I purchased a pristine set to use on my truck.

Chef has a call into his bodyshop guy to measure the 2 doors.. His 64 45 Removable top doors vs my 64 45 non removable top doors.
We're waiting on that call back with measurements and for me to get over to the other house to measure my open on my 45 fixed top and the spare doors i have in the basement.
I"m working my part time job tonight but hopefully can find a camera and tape measure and go by the other house wed night for some measuring.

I'm somewhat nervous cause I sent my doors which had issues to chef.. mine were off my 45 fixed to go onto his 45 removable long bed. If indeed there are differences then Chef and I will be trading stuff back and forth.. But Mark's knowledge i'm hoping is key..
Sorry for the delay. Continue on..
 
cruiserbrett said:
off the top of my head: Texican, tornadoalleycruiser, dmaddox, mudrak(who has later doors on his IIRC), 3_puppies(?), legion, etc might be some help. they are the folks I can remember with non removable top fj45s
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I'd definitely help if I could but my truck's out of state. I decided to bite the bullet and have a pro frame off done. Should have it back in Alaska this spring.
 
SWB Doors

Ok, I measured three fj45 SWB trucks and the doors were the same!
Sorry:frown:

The doors themselves were 34 inches side to side below the window

The door openings from the front pillar to the rear pillar at the striker (Removed) was 32 1/2 plus or minus 1/8th from the striker area down to the curve of the door bottom.

These measurements were taken from the following trucks

1963 SWB Fixed top, fixed windshield (No Hindges)
1964 SWB Fixed top
1965 SWB Fixed top

Sorry these measurements only confirm that something is goofy with your door openings, hindges or something!:rolleyes:

I will send you a PM with my phone number and we can compare the measurements over the phone to see if we can figure it out.

-ART-
 
I don't think they would have made different doors for one rig...I could be wrong, but it does not sound like Toyota.

I would take another look at the tub, and the hinges...I could be wrong, but my guess is that someone did some work, and while it might look good, it was not perfect.
 
Thanks everyone for the efforts and offers and comments. The measurements Wasabi listed should be useful this Saturday. I gotta say I'm feeling much better that the doors will work, hoping its the hinges...

....and what does one do with 3 SWBs anyway ? ;)

stay tuned.... will update on Monday.

Aaron
 
Wasabi said:
Ok, I measured

The door openings from the front pillar to the rear pillar at the striker (Removed) was 32 1/2 plus or minus 1/8th from the striker area down to the curve of the door bottom.

-ART-
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Tim just got home to the rancho early and called to tell me the door opening width is 32 inches in the same locations listed by Art. sat at 7am the die grinder hits the front edge of the doors.

Aaron
 
Three SWB's

What do you do with three FJ45 SWB's

First of all "MEASURE THE DOORS"!!!!!!!!!!:D

Just foolin!

The samething you'd do with one SWB, you know, cut, grind, weld, primer, sand, and repeat! Just X's three!!

Call me Saturday morning and i'll double check the door openings, but the doors looked and measured out the same at Rockcod's pics and measurements.

Oh wait, Maybe, I used the OEM Toyota tape measure when I measured the doors and openings last night!!:hhmm::hhmm:
I wonder if they cut off 1/2 to 7/8 of an inch off the production tape measures in 1964 to 1965 when they built the fj45 SWB's!!!:hhmm::hhmm:

later, -ART-
 
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