OK, here goes, bear with me everyone - keep in mind this is my first Toyota, first Cruiser, and first build. So first off - I though bug-catcher just meant that the "triangular forward piece of glass" swung out - feel free to explain what it really is. read below each quote to continue.
I'm no expert here but I've been told they aren't the same. I'm not sure when the change took place but my intention was to consider switching upper door frames with the obtainable weather stripping (not bug catchers) and was told there is a 5/16" difference from "bug catcher" uppers.
I was told 67-74 are the "early style and fit all pre-74. I guarantee that 67-74 doors do not fit a 64 SWB Fixed Roof. Cruiserbrett confirmed this and shows a pre-67 door below. The 67-74 doors fit on 76 I confirmed but that don't mean squat for me. the pre-67 doors (the early early style ones) must be narrower not only on the upper half but on the lower half too.
so bug catcher door is not the same width as a non-bug catcher? Or is there a difference in SWB 45 vs other trucks of same vintage? I"m confused and am watching this thread.
I'm concluding that the SWB Fixed roof has a narrower opening than all others, even say a 64 SWB Removable top. not confirmed yet though. the 76 40 I have access to has a door opening about 7/8" wider than mine as can be seen in the original post.
there are two bug catcher doors, as well, to add to the confusion. there are ones with a lip on the top of the window channel and ones without the lip on the top of the window channel. here are the odd ones without the lip.
my 67-74 doors look much different than those posted by Cruiserbrett. not sure where this pic will end up on this reply but its the yellow door (pic from when purchased). As you can see I have a different top end and harder to see but the "traingular window" has a pivot point at the top forward corner.
familiar with the lip vs non-lip. which is about 1/2" or so maybe 3/4" up top. and with that lip difference is a different height in the actual bug catcher glass.
But is there a difference in the width of a BugCatcher door vs a non-bugcatcher door (aka swing vent window)
Abecker.. ARe the doors your hanging bugcather or swing vent window style?
Maybe there is not for your applications - and it is a completely different door for the 45 Fixed roof? We confirmed that 67-74 doors fit on a 76 40, just a slight increase gap space between the door and the door jamb. Doesn't seem likely that this would happen though....all doors of the same year should be interchangeable right? i.e. a 64 40 door should be the same as a 64 SWB whether Fixed or Removable (which dispels my earlier theory - I'm getting more confused now). I'm starting to believe there are early style doors (67-74) and really early style doors (60-66) that are different in width and top lip.
I thought bug catcher but maybe swing vent is seeming more appropriate terminology for what I have. I need a lesson on bug-catcher. I bought these doors and told they were 67-74 style. I know they don't fit 64 and with the window pivot am questioning if they are post 74??? Again, sorry ...working with limited knowledge here.
Is the SWB Non-Removable top have the same opening width (length) as the SWB removable top?
I heard the Non-removable cabs were 3" smaller but I don't know where the 3" is.
Opening don't know. Dmaddox? Dom? But the cab is definitely longer in a removable top. I seems to remember reading somewhere 3-6 inches but can't remember the actual number. I can't move my seat back at all. We looked at the 40 and tried to figure out where we are different and it seems the difference occurs in the section that the door is (there is a weld approximately 2 inches past the rear of the door opening). The removable top must also have a longer aft cab section. As we all suspect the firewall forward appears the same as the 40.
Sounds like 3 then.
Thanks for everyone chiming in on this. The 67 doors look great - newly painted, new felts, gaskets, etc. They just don't FN fit!
Aaron
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