dog attacked my dog

[Atticus]

And all black people are criminals, right?

Most.

All Mexicans are car thieves?

Of course not. Just the sober ones.

Black and white mentality...not helpful.

I forgot how nuanced and sophisticated your perceptions of, and approaches to, things were. Thanks for reminding me.

You're of course free to be as "careful" as you see fit, especially when it comes to you and yours.

Generosity. Delightful.

But don't think you know better than I do about my dog or dogs in general...

Just because you lick people's feet and sometimes eat your own poo, it doesn't make you Dr. Dolittle.

There are some bad dogs. Those dogs shouldn't be around people who are particularly vulnerable to an attack or susceptible to serious injury, like children.

 

[Tofudebeest]

Most.



Of course not. Just the sober ones.



I forgot how nuanced and sophisticated your perceptions of, and approaches to, things were. Thanks for reminding me.



Generosity. Delightful.



Just because you lick people's feet and sometimes eat your own poo, it doesn't make you Dr. Dolittle.

There are some bad dogs. Those dogs shouldn't be around people who are particularly vulnerable to an attack or susceptible to serious injury, like children.

Of course there are "bad dogs", aka schizo, untrainable, damaged goods, etc. But the dogs who spontaneously "turn" and attack people, especially their owner...that's myth or half the story. Neurological problems can come on relatively suddenly, making a totally predictable dog bat-s*** insane, especially as a reaction to something, like a rabies vaccine, for instance, or a brain tumor, etc. But a dog-aggressive dog who has no record of agression towards humans does not one day decide to maul a person, not unless there was something up, like a kid tormenting the dog.

Mind you, as we have debated not too long ago there are dogs who are a danger to people but the people were oblivious to the signs or didn't take it seriously. Healthy dogs do not "turn".

 

[Atticus]

Of course there are "bad dogs", aka schizo, untrainable, damaged goods, etc. But the dogs who spontaneously "turn" and attack people, especially their owner...that's myth or half the story. Neurological problems can come on relatively suddenly, making a totally predictable dog bat-s*** insane, especially as a reaction to something, like a rabies vaccine, for instance, or a brain tumor, etc. But a dog-aggressive dog who has no record of agression towards humans does not one day decide to maul a person, not unless there was something up, like a kid tormenting the dog.

Mind you, as we have debated not too long ago there are dogs who are a danger to people but the people were oblivious to the signs or didn't take it seriously. Healthy dogs do not "turn".

You have so qualified and hedged against what you originally said that I cannot possibly even identify your position at this point. You're not even saying the same thing anymore.

Edit: I don't think, anyway.

 

[Tofudebeest]

now i agree with the responsibility of owners, but i also know pitts and they earned their reputation. and depending on the breeding they could snap at any time without showing any aggressiveness before. so if you have one of these dogs mixed or not you need to watch them, if they attack small dogs eventually they will move to children.
if you have an aggressive dog you need to keep control of it, if you can't you need to get rid of it.

You have so qualified and hedged against what you originally said that I cannot possibly even identify your position at this point. You're not even saying the same thing anymore.

Edit: I don't think, anyway.

Sorry, and not to be argumentative, but you're wrong. My post was in response to the above. It's just flat wrong as a stereotype. My dog, who will start a fight with pretty much any other dog who approaches off of a leash (when he is on one), will NEVER so much as growl at a person, let alone my children, not unless his health is compromised somehow (as I described) making it irrelevant what breeds he comes from. The one exception would be if he was defending us from a human threat. I am 100% confident in such a situation he wiould read a person's intent towards us and not falsely perceive a threat and react inappropriately.

Not saying it NEVER happens, but there are pretty much always mitigating circumstances. Yeah, there are human aggressive dogs, some who only give subtle (to most people) signs, but no "good dog one day, menace the next".

 

[toy4xfun]

Sorry, and not to be argumentative, but you're wrong. My post was in response to the above. It's just flat wrong as a stereotype. My dog, who will start a fight with pretty much any other dog who approaches off of a leash (when he is on one), will NEVER so much as growl at a person, let alone my children, not unless his health is compromised somehow (as I described) making it irrelevant what breeds he comes from. The one exception would be if he was defending us from a human threat. I am 100% confident in such a situation he wiould read a person's intent towards us and not falsely perceive a threat and react inappropriately.

Not saying it NEVER happens, but there are pretty much always mitigating circumstances. Yeah, there are human aggressive dogs, some who only give subtle (to most people) signs, but no "good dog one day, menace the next".

and you sir are part of the problem i beg to differ and tell you you do not know what you think you do. my friend would differ with you, his dog never even hurt the cat he had but it fxxxed him up in a heartbeat , and just as fast as it went on him it stopped. and lambcrusher had the same experience, my neighbor had one that attacked 4 dogs and then one day attacked his little girl, well i was not going to bring this story up, but she died from her injures.
and i have owned a few pitts and a few mixed pitts and a rott.
the two i have now i am very comfortable with around my kids.
so take your dog whisper bull**** somewhere else.

 

[splitshot]

Got in here late, just thought I'd toss in some thoughts (which after reading threads about the subject over the years have been hammered before).
In my experiance, the majority of people who are attracted to an agressive breed are the Vatos or Tatooed white trash who live to walk around with their balls hanging around their necks. Then there are others outside that stereotype who seem to have a gift to tame the monster and they become beautiful family members..
Why take a chance with a potential liability?

I like Phil's idea of a stun gun and if luck is involved, this one may have a bum ticker.

 

[Tofudebeest]

and you sir are part of the problem i beg to differ and tell you you do not know what you think you do. my friend would differ with you, his dog never even hurt the cat he had but it fxxxed him up in a heartbeat , and just as fast as it went on him it stopped. and lambcrusher had the same experience, my neighbor had one that attacked 4 dogs and then one day attacked his little girl, well i was not going to bring this story up, but she died from her injures.
and i have owned a few pitts and a few mixed pitts and a rott.
the two i have now i am very comfortable with around my kids.
so take your dog whisper bull**** somewhere else.

Have it your way. I'll remember you told me so when my dog mauls my kid or somebody else's.

 

[wob]

I had a Rott. Best dog I ever had. Loved that fxxxer - still do, even though he died from cancer. Smartest dog I ever had, by far. Hands down.

I'm not a dumbass, meathead, or dogfighter. My dog was aggressive towards people and animals. I made excuses until the sun went down to protect and cover for him.

"He bit you because you were breaking up a dog fight. Dogs fight, dumbass. Don't stick your hand in there"

"He's growling at you for a reason."

"You must smell funny, or be scared or something."

"He doesn't like kids, keep them away"

"He doesn't like puppies, keep them away"

"He doesn't like other dogs, keep them away"

"He doesn't like strange people, stay away"



bottom line -some dogs are agressive - sometimes they have their place, sometimes, they don't.

 

[Jman]

Pitbull nipple.

 

[surfpig]

 

[Tofudebeest]

My mom adopted a soft-coated wheaten terrier. It was abused. It's a biter. It is dog-aggressive and has bitten at least four people, including me, though usually sweet. Knowing the liability, I told her to have the dog put down. In fact, I insisted. She refused. She's spent at least two grand in training, with some improvement. My kids will never be in that dog's presence without adult supervision and I will never fully trust that dog. I know how this goes. People do strange things. If it were my dog, it would be history.

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

The owner of the dog that attacked my wife and dog volunteered to have the dog put down. She said the dog had never shown any aggressive behavior in the past but now it could not be trusted.

 

[scottm]

It's fun to hear an idealist animal lover giving more credit to a dog than any of us would give to a human of low intelligence. It's an animal, it doesn't think the way we do, we can't understand or predict it. And animals are very good at hiding illness and injury, we're likely to miss that a dog is in pain and likely to attack in defense for no apparent reason.

I was attacked repeatedly by a big Selian Terrier at a house I house-sat years ago. I wore thick leather coats and padded leather work gloves, and it drew blood on occasion. I slept with a round in my Glock on the nightstand in case it got out at night. I was determined to not hit this dog, sort of thought it would help prepare me for parenthood. I ran with it 'till it couldn't run, slap-fought with it 'till it backed off, and had long battles with it when it attacked me or I needed to put it's collar on. The neighbors were amazed by my battles with this dog they all feared, apparently nobody including the owner had ever stood up to it. The owner's husband had divorced her because she wouldn't get rid of it. It bit someone when I was walking it, just wagged it's tail and acted cute while he petted it, then attacked. I warned the guy repeatedly, he wouldn't listen. He loved dogs, thought himself knowledgeable about them I guess.

 

[fsusteve]

You should always call Animal Control right away - it 's the law in many States including here in Florida. Next, file a Police Report - describe any/all bites, scratches, lacerations, etc you and the dog may have suffered. DESCRIBE how your dogs TRAUMA is keeping your family up at night..how your dogs pain is affecting the household - loss of sleep... Lawyers love dog bite cases but only if the human is harmed. This way, you can sue for med expenses for your dog. How does this attack affect the household? Your dog was on a leash, right? Typically we go after cash advances on credit cards, home owners insurance, paychecks...and while PB's get a bad rap, it's clearly irresponsible owners.

you are such an ambulance chaser.

 

[Johnnymiz]

tofu, i am constantly amazed at your psychoanalytical/deep thinking bull****
i rarely get into these types of discussions. unlike u, i only talk about things i really know about.
while u are correct in stating that through abuse/sickness/poor socialization, a "good breed" like wheatens can produce a biter, and through great care/socialization, a "bad breed" like pits can produce a sweet, cuddly mush, by and large, dogs act like they were BRED to act. they dont know why they do things, they just do them. take the german shorthaired pointer. dog that's never been trained to point will just freeze looking at a pigeon. he cant help it...because it has been genetically programmed by hundreds of years of careful breeding to do just that..find birds, and point. fighting dogs are aggressive....period. even if a pit is a sweet as a teddy bear, there is that little thing in the back of its brain screaming at it to kill..especially if it senses vulnerability. it may not bite, but instinct/genetics are telling it to. if u dont realize that, then ur more of a moron than atticus thinks u are

 

[beaufort-fj60]

there is that little thing in the back of its brain screaming at it to kill..especially if it senses vulnerability. it may not bite, but instinct/genetics are telling it to.

totally agree.... but on a side note, I have an English pointer who points at cats and squirrels.

 

[Johnnymiz]

totally agree.... but on a side note, I have an English pointer who points at cats and squirrels.

that's pretty funny. sounds like a great dog.
perfect example tho..he sees them as prey and points. has no clue as to why hes doing it....just does it.
every dog has a personality, but they just cant get past the genetic imprinting.

 

[Atticus]

if u dont realize that, then ur more of a moron than atticus thinks u are

doubtful

 

[agomez]

doubtful

lol.... so doubtful runs pretty deep with you...lol

 

[Johnnymiz]

doubtful

i was waiting for that .