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bpenn1980 said:
Interesting. I don't have any work scheduled for the cruiser, but I'm rebuilding a chainsaw right now.... :hhmm:
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For grins and giggles get a new chain treated and see how much sharper it stays. You could also build the motor and treat the whole thing. I suppose your results will be proportionate to the size of the motor. Seriously, if you want to know how something will react, give Charles a call and he'll tell you. Chances are he's treated it!

One of the first experiences I had with a treated product was with a cheap Bic razor. He handed me a treated razor and told me to see how long it would last for me. Usually they're worth about half a shave. The one I got lasted for almost two months. I was sold.
 
So... Can I just, like, put my whole truck in the cryo thingy? Perhaps it will last like 600K miles. :hillbilly:
 
Layonnn said:
What kind of price does is it to treat larger items like the R&P and then small items like the plugs?
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I think ring and pinions sets are around $50 and spark plugs are between $1-2.50, I don't remember off the top of my head...but you could look at their price sheets on their website and give them a call with questions...CRYO SCIENCE

...their number is 760-427-CRYO (2796)
 
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Jrob80 said:
Soo what you are saying is I could Cryo a jeep and it would last almost as long as my LC> :lol:
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No, you would just have a frozen turd...... Very harmful for septic tanks.
 
this guy in missouri http://cryopro.com/ is the most resonable i have found. going to send some spark plugs and see what happens. i will post my findings, got 2 sets of bosch super + plugs, so when i swich the plugs both sets are new.
 
One thing to keep in mind with spark plugs: because the treating process effects the carbon atoms the most, avoid materials that have less carbon in them - platinum and iridium, as there is little benefit with these types of plugs. I've had great success with the OEM Denso's.
 
Sooo....I saw someone list a price for plugs and rings and pinion sets...what about larger parts?

I guess what I'm wondering is, over time are you actually saving money? (Obviously I don't know anything about any of this, I'm just trying to get more intelligenter!)

**EDIT: Nvm...I've self-corrected. Sweet Trav's link actually gives prices 0.o
 
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gotmud said:
For grins and giggles get a new chain treated and see how much sharper it stays. You could also build the motor and treat the whole thing. I suppose your results will be proportionate to the size of the motor. Seriously, if you want to know how something will react, give Charles a call and he'll tell you. Chances are he's treated it!

One of the first experiences I had with a treated product was with a cheap Bic razor. He handed me a treated razor and told me to see how long it would last for me. Usually they're worth about half a shave. The one I got lasted for almost two months. I was sold.
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I'm putting a whole new piston/cylinder in, so I could go for the full shabang. I'll give him a call
 
I think my whole 80 gets cryotreated every winter. Not sure if it helps.
 
yoopercharged said:
I think my whole 80 gets cryotreated every winter. Not sure if it helps.
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Don't laugh. Mercedes used to leave their bare blocks outside during the winter because they felt it relieved some of the internal stresses from casting.
 
I suppose I haven't heard of many Mercedes blocks cracking. Any idea what kind of temperatures are effective? Interesting stuff, just haven't had much experience with it. Makes perfect sense.
 
slowsuki said:
this guy in missouri Cryopro Cryogenic Tempering Processing Center is the most resonable i have found. going to send some spark plugs and see what happens. i will post my findings, got 2 sets of bosch super + plugs, so when i swich the plugs both sets are new.
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I've used him a few times for R&P's and other parts with good results each time. He's been easy to work with, has reasonable turn times and as you mentioned his pricing is very fair.

As a side note I've been purchasing my razors from him since 2002 dba Great Razors.com. I can't imagine using off the razors anymore the treated blades last far longer.

I have no associations with him just a happy customer.


Just to add another dynamic to the cryogenic topic, has anyone looked into REM isotropic finishing? I nearly had my R&P's processed after the cryo but it's difficult to justify the cost on a LC where I won't easily see results.

REM Surface Engineering
Evans Performance Products,atlanta,cryogenic processing,REM finishing,gear polishing,dry film lubricant coatings,marine race engines
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2000/TM-2000-210044.pdf
 
yoopercharged said:
I suppose I haven't heard of many Mercedes blocks cracking. Any idea what kind of temperatures are effective? Interesting stuff, just haven't had much experience with it. Makes perfect sense.
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Ah...there is where the difference in companies and/or equipment makes a difference. As I am told, for metal to be properly treated it has to be frozen to -320F. To do this, your equipment has to be engineered to maintain that type of temp. Many companies buy used semen freezers from genitics labs (used for livestock genetic management). The vessels are designed to only go down to about -100 or so. Also, the material being frozen needs a certain amount of time (based on density) to go from room temp to -320 where it needs to stay for a period of time, before it is raised slowly back to room temp. IIRC, this process can take a couple of days to complete.
 
just installed cryo treated plugs, i have to say there is some power gain, i would guess it is about the same as when i desmoged my engine, as for mpg to early to tell. :hhmm: who would of thought freezing a sparkplug, would make more power,not me.
 
one more thing, cryopro charged me 16.50 for doing 9 plugs, and return shipping, that is hard to beat, his website said 20.00 minimum.
 
I was not aware there were benefits to treating sparkplugs, very cool! I had a set of brake rotors treated for one of my previous cars, it was going through rotors every 20,000kms due to warping(combination of aggresive driving and GM fwd engineering, lol). The treated rotors lasted me 60,000kms, until I let a set of pads go too long and scored the rotor with the screech bar. Never overheated the treated rotors, much better performance and longevity.
 
What about treating whole axles? Torn apart of course. Does it actually strengthen metal so housing be stronger or what.
 
I may try getting my minitruck birf and axle shafts treated instead of shelling out the money for longs,hmmmm.
 
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