Balancing Rock Warriors

[speyrod]

So I got my rings off and will be plasti dipping the rings black to see if I like the look. In removing the rings I had 3 bolts that are buggard. Guessing I'll get them from the dealer. My question, I don't think I can balance them correctly with a screw missing I could remove a couple screws from another wheel while the wheel are being balanced RnR if the dealer doesn't have any in stock? Other option have them balanced w/o the rock rings and install them later. what sounds best?

I'll be putting on 285 70 17 e rated cooper AT3 XLT and plan on running them at 40psi sound right? Only to have a monkey wrench thrown in a good friend offered me a great deal ( about $17K) on his Rubicon Unlimited, bumpers warn winch, suspension etc. 6sp and 70K miles... That I don't need but thinking about but I am.

 

[Markuson]

So I got my rings off and will be plasti dipping the rings black to see if I like the look. In removing the rings I had 3 bolts that are buggard. Guessing I'll get them from the dealer. My question, I don't think I can balance them correctly with a screw missing I could remove a couple screws from another wheel while the wheel are being balanced RnR if the dealer doesn't have any in stock? Other option have them balanced w/o the rock rings and install them later. what sounds best?

I'll be putting on 285 70 17 e rated cooper AT3 XLT and plan on running them at 40psi sound right? Only to have a monkey wrench thrown in a good friend offered me a great deal ( about $17K) on his Rubicon Unlimited, bumpers warn winch, suspension etc. 6sp and 70K miles... That I don't need but thinking about but I am.

My sister’s newish Jeep just had it’s engine fully replaced after only 65,000 miles. Don’t do it!

As for screws...I have extras I can send to you for free. Meanwhile, the balance without rings on the buggered one sound like a plan...

 

[Rigger]

Get the proper replacement screws.

Put the rings on, and balance the wheels.

Tell your good friend "No thanks" on the Jeep.

 

[catastrofe]

I had the faux bead locks on my Tacoma. Must balance with rings on, unless you want to balance twice...

 

[speyrod]

My sister’s newish Jeep just had it’s engine fully replaced after only 65,000 miles. Don’t do it!

As for screws...I have extras I can send to you for free. Meanwhile, the balance without rings on the buggered one sound like a plan...

65K ouch! Funny thing is he is switching to an FJ60 as a "town car".

 

[speyrod]

Also sent you a PM

 

[Markuson]

Also sent you a PM

Me? Didn’t get one.

 

[AnthonyLC]

Wheel balance is done with small amounts, fractions of an ounce. You will need the rings on to balance them unless you like vibration

 

[Markuson]

Wheel balance is done with small amounts, fractions of an ounce. You will need the rings on to balance them unless you like vibration

I would have thought since the rings are 100% evenly weighted all the way around, it wouldn’t change the balance on or off. If that’s off...would like to hear...

 

[619TOY]

I would have thought since the rings are 100% evenly weighted all the way around, it wouldn’t change the balance on or off. If that’s off...would like to hear...

When I first put in the RW’s I had them balanced without the rings and then I installed the rings myself with my torque wrench; they remained perfectly balanced feel-wise.

One concern I do have with the new tires is that the last ones were balanced with weights inside and outside the rim. All stick on. Discount installed the new ones with weights only centered in the rim. I don’t believe in that, but I’m going to give it the benefit of doubt until I drive it on the freeway.

 

[Markuson]

When I first put in the RW’s I had them balanced without the rings and then I installed the rings myself with my torque wrench; they remained perfectly balanced feel-wise.

One concern I do have with the new tires is that the last ones were balanced with weights inside and outside the rim. All stick on. Discount installed the new ones with weights only centered in the rim. I don’t believe in that, but I’m going to give it the benefit of doubt until I drive it on the freeway.

Not all shops do dynamic balance, so might not show up on all machines.

 

[AnthonyLC]

I would have thought since the rings are 100% evenly weighted all the way around, it wouldn’t change the balance on or off. If that’s off...would like to hear...

I'm thinking the screws in the rings are the issue. However it might not be an issue. Only way to really know would be to pay the tire guy a little extra to balance without, and then a second time with, and see if it asks for more weights

 

[Markuson]

I'm thinking the screws in the rings are the issue. However it might not be an issue. Only way to really know would be to pay the tire guy a little extra to balance without, and then a second time with, and see if it asks for more weights

Why would evenly-spaced ring screws create imbalance??

 

[catastrofe]

I would have thought since the rings are 100% evenly weighted all the way around, it wouldn’t change the balance on or off. If that’s off...would like to hear...

I’m pretty sure the installation instructions from Toyota recommend balancing with the rings on...at least they do the the TRD “bead lock” wheels. I also (personally) wouldn’t have complete faith that the rings are perfectly weighted. There could be slight variations that would throw off wheel balance. JMHO.

 

[speyrod]

Challenge here is the tire shop is 30-40 mins away. I am going to take Markuson up on his kinds offer for a couple 3 bolts. When the wheels are getting balanced I'll just pull 3 and have the wheel balanced then. I asked my local Toyota dealer and the parts gal gave me a little "tude" on asking about ordering them and suggested I go the a screw bolt store about 60 miles away.

 

[AnthonyLC]

Why would evenly-spaced ring screws create imbalance??

I totally get the logic of a ring with even weighting and bolts evenly spaced. Watch this modern balancer in action, it's hyper sensitive and even allows for splitting weights. I'm betting a beer that if you balance the wheel first without the ring and bolts, and then re-balance it with rings and bolts, you'll have to add or remove weights. I'll buy you a beer if I'm wrong here. Gotta be done on modern computer controlled balancer.

 

[Markuson]

I totally get the logic of a ring with even weighting and bolts evenly spaced. Watch this modern balancer in action, it's hyper sensitive and even allows for splitting weights. I'm betting a beer that if you balance the wheel first without the ring and bolts, and then re-balance it with rings and bolts, you'll have to add or remove weights. I'll buy you a beer if I'm wrong here. Gotta be done on modern computer controlled balancer.

Makes sense.
I make zero claims of expertises in wheel balancing...!

But that video seemed showed the machine indicating with a laser line that made no indicator for outer or inner. Just a line projected across the full width of the wheel.
Unless I missed something... split weights were split at different points of rotation...not inner/outer.

Not claiming to know. Just watching and thinking.