AHC -- How to break the 'Globe Code'???? (1 Viewer)

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Just wondering whether any IH8MUD code-breakers could please explain the letters/number on these 'globes' (called Gas Chambers in FSM)?

MUV 200 - 400
17Y150421

MUV 200 - 400
17Y230351

Front Globe.jpg


RearGlobe.jpg
 
someone 's gotta know. i keep asking when they were manufactured and of course they're all like "2020"
🙄
 
someone 's gotta know. i keep asking when they were manufactured and of course they're all like "2020"
🙄

Yes -- hopefully someone can provide a clue. The depicted items were purchased in October 2018 from Megazip (on-line wholesaler based in Singapore, although the items actually were supplied from their Russian warehouse). They arrived in convincing Toyota Japan packaging with Japanese newspaper padding in the carton. I inspected closely and have no reason to think they were not genuine new Toyota parts. When the 4 new 'globes' were installed in early 2019, the HI/LO fluid displacement improved from ~8 graduations at the AHC tank to 14+ graduations and remains at about that level. I am left wondering whether "17Y" in the depicted markings means Year 2017 but that is just a guess. The originals which came off the car still had a sticker attached showing 2006-06-13 -- this corresponds to June 2006 which is the month/year of manufacture of the vehicle. The cost of the 4 replacement 'globes' was USD823.39 delivered to my carport in October 2018.

All insights are welcome!
 
Would have to guess the 17 refers to 2017 if you got them in 2018, but can’t prove it. Dates are often coded by week of the year as well so the 15 and 23 in your codes may refer to the 15th and 23rd week of 2017. The remaining digits are 0xxx which may be somewhat of a serial number.

Maybe some more examples could help prove/disprove my crackpot theory.
 
"MUV: spherical accumulator with rubber-resin layered diaphragm." This is from the site ekkeagle.com, which also says "The MUV series incorporates a plastic laminated diaphragm produced by polymer materials..."
EKK Eagle is a Japanese company making such globes.

The -400 corresponds to the capacity of the front globes. The rear ones would then be -500.
The 200 corresponds roughly to the nominal pressure in bars (226 bar for the fronts) but is more likely just the model series.

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Isn't there a Japanese hydraulics engineer on this forum, who could give us some insight :) (Assuming they are Japanese made)
 
I was thinking year, week also, but here's an image from ebay. "70" seems an unlikely week ID.

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Given the others, doesn’t that probably say “13Y020075”? Which would be week 2 of 2013 and still keep our theory plausible.
 
I don't see these as high volume sellers specific to the Hundy chassis - especially post-production by Mr. T of the rig to sell new - so I'd guess #0075 in the 2nd batch made in 2013
 
"MUV: spherical accumulator with rubber-resin layered diaphragm." This is from the site ekkeagle.com, which also says "The MUV series incorporates a plastic laminated diaphragm produced by polymer materials..."
EKK Eagle is a Japanese company making such globes.

The -400 corresponds to the capacity of the front globes. The rear ones would then be -500.
The 200 corresponds roughly to the nominal pressure in bars (226 bar for the fronts) but is more likely just the model series.

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Isn't there a Japanese hydraulics engineer on this forum, who could give us some insight :) (Assuming they are Japanese made)
Sweet! How many do you think I'd need to order up to get a set under $500? Could use a slightly higher pressure for a firmer damping response on heavy rigs - if that's how that works. They don't list the MUV200400 as a current option, but it seems inferred they custom-make them.

Hmmmm.... email going out to them.
 
Sweet! How many do you think I'd need to order up to get a set under $500? Could use a slightly higher pressure for a firmer damping response on heavy rigs - if that's how that works. They don't list the MUV200400 as a current option, but it seems inferred they custom-make them.

Hmmmm.... email going out to them.
Long ago @PADDO mentioned using Rear 'globes' on the Front as one idea for more capacity due to larger volume and higher pressure. It must have been a tight squeeze on LHS in front of the Height Control Accumulator .....


globe gas chamber LC100 LX470.jpg
 
This might be one the nerdiest threads on here, and I love everything about it.
 
This might be one the nerdiest threads on here, and I love everything about it.
It gets worse :rolleyes:

Whatever, the point remains that it would be good to know the date of manufacture of ‘globes’ (meaning the date nitrogen was injected). As good as the membranes may be, there will be a ‘shelf life’, the nitrogen eventually will diffuse through the membrane materials albeit very slowly, faster if temperatures are elevated – in a similar but slower way in which carbon dioxide gas in a plastic soft drink bottle eventually diffuses through the plastic material.

The Head Company in the Group thought to manufacture at least some of ‘globes’ a.k.a. Gas Chambers for Toyota/Lexus would appear to be

Overseas Group Companies | Company | NOK CORPORATION - https://www.nok.co.jp/en/company/group.html , sometimes referred to as “NOK”, a large Japanese manufacturer with worldwide relationships and is a known supplier to Toyota/Lexus.

Subsidiaries of NOK include the Eagle Industry Co., Ltd, also known as “EKK”.
EAGLE INDUSTRY CO.,LTD. - https://www.ekkeagle.com/en/

EKK provides a catalogue and some information of interest concerning MUV type accumulators, as identified by @uHu:

https://www.ekkeagle.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/EKK_Accumulators_EN_201510.pdf

Interestingly, (for those who like to get into such details :bang:), the EKK catalogue notes that:

“Use of NOKʼs polymeric material technology and processing technology has resulted in a resin layered diaphragm that dramatically improves the gas retention of accumulators. This accumulator should be selected if a longer lifespan and maintenance-free operation are desired.
Cannot be refilled with gas. Use at 80 °C or less recommended”.


Different to my replacement ‘globes’ reported earlier in this thread (and which arrived without a date sticker), the original ‘globes’ on my June 2006 LC100 (Model designation HDJ100R-GNAEZQ) have the initials “NOK” engraved or stamped on their top face (under the sticker in one case). Two examples are shown in the pictures below. The date stickers are clear and may refer to the date at which they were supplied to Toyota after nitrogen had been added. The following numbers also appear:

MUV 200 – 400 (on a Front ‘globe’)
6403 - 4359

MUV 200 – 500
(on a Rear ‘globe’)
6412 - 0642

The designation MUV XXX – YYY has been explained by @uHu and refers in particular to the sandwich membrane specified by Toyota/Lexus. While the remaining date stickers are clear, there is no obvious indication of dates in the other numbers which appear to be Serial Numbers.

There are other manufacturers of these kinds of accumulators – for example, Nippon Accumulators -- NIPPON ACCUMULATOR CO., LTD.|NACOL|Manufacturing accumulator - https://www.nacol.co.jp/english/index.html and KYB -- KYB Corporation - https://www.kyb.co.jp/english/index.html -- whose brand appears on the Height Control Accumulator for LC100/LX470 and also the slightly different version on LX570.

It may be that Toyota/Lexus used several sources, so other details may emerge. Nowadays most vehicle manufacturers do not themselves manufacture everything but use literally thousands of suppliers of the various parts used in the assembly of their vehicles. Where appropriate, supply is diversified from multiple specialist manufacturers to reduce risks of interruption of supply and to keep competitive pressure on supplier’s prices. Suppliers would be required to include such markings and packaging as specified by Toyota/Lexus. Suppliers, rather than Toyota/Lexus, would be required to hold stocks – keeps inventory and finance costs off the Toyota Balance Sheet – and Suppliers may be allowed to supply directly (such as to Amayama, Partsouq, Megazip, large US outfits, etc) rather than exclusively through Toyota/Lexus, especially for models such as LC100/LX470 which are long out of production (last produced in 2007).

Further insights welcome o_O:hmm: …..

20210314_082259.jpg


20210314_082427.jpg
 
It gets worse :rolleyes:

Whatever, the point remains that it would be good to know the date of manufacture of ‘globes’ (meaning the date nitrogen was injected). As good as the membranes may be, there will be a ‘shelf life’, the nitrogen eventually will diffuse through the membrane materials albeit very slowly, faster if temperatures are elevated – in a similar but slower way in which carbon dioxide gas in a plastic soft drink bottle eventually diffuses through the plastic material.

The Head Company in the Group thought to manufacture at least some of ‘globes’ a.k.a. Gas Chambers for Toyota/Lexus would appear to be

Overseas Group Companies | Company | NOK CORPORATION - https://www.nok.co.jp/en/company/group.html , sometimes referred to as “NOK”, a large Japanese manufacturer with worldwide relationships and is a known supplier to Toyota/Lexus.

Subsidiaries of NOK include the Eagle Industry Co., Ltd, also known as “EKK”.
EAGLE INDUSTRY CO.,LTD. - https://www.ekkeagle.com/en/

EKK provides a catalogue and some information of interest concerning MUV type accumulators, as identified by @uHu:

https://www.ekkeagle.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/EKK_Accumulators_EN_201510.pdf

Interestingly, (for those who like to get into such details :bang:), the EKK catalogue notes that:

“Use of NOKʼs polymeric material technology and processing technology has resulted in a resin layered diaphragm that dramatically improves the gas retention of accumulators. This accumulator should be selected if a longer lifespan and maintenance-free operation are desired.
Cannot be refilled with gas. Use at 80 °C or less recommended”.


Different to my replacement ‘globes’ reported earlier in this thread (and which arrived without a date sticker), the original ‘globes’ on my June 2006 LC100 (Model designation HDJ100R-GNAEZQ) have the initials “NOK” engraved or stamped on their top face (under the sticker in one case). Two examples are shown in the pictures below. The date stickers are clear and may refer to the date at which they were supplied to Toyota after nitrogen had been added. The following numbers also appear:

MUV 200 – 400 (on a Front ‘globe’)
6403 - 4359

MUV 200 – 500
(on a Rear ‘globe’)
6412 - 0642

The designation MUV XXX – YYY has been explained by @uHu and refers in particular to the sandwich membrane specified by Toyota/Lexus. While the remaining date stickers are clear, there is no obvious indication of dates in the other numbers which appear to be Serial Numbers.

There are other manufacturers of these kinds of accumulators – for example, Nippon Accumulators -- NIPPON ACCUMULATOR CO., LTD.|NACOL|Manufacturing accumulator - https://www.nacol.co.jp/english/index.html and KYB -- KYB Corporation - https://www.kyb.co.jp/english/index.html -- whose brand appears on the Height Control Accumulator for LC100/LX470 and also the slightly different version on LX570.

It may be that Toyota/Lexus used several sources, so other details may emerge. Nowadays most vehicle manufacturers do not themselves manufacture everything but use literally thousands of suppliers of the various parts used in the assembly of their vehicles. Where appropriate, supply is diversified from multiple specialist manufacturers to reduce risks of interruption of supply and to keep competitive pressure on supplier’s prices. Suppliers would be required to include such markings and packaging as specified by Toyota/Lexus. Suppliers, rather than Toyota/Lexus, would be required to hold stocks – keeps inventory and finance costs off the Toyota Balance Sheet – and Suppliers may be allowed to supply directly (such as to Amayama, Partsouq, Megazip, large US outfits, etc) rather than exclusively through Toyota/Lexus, especially for models such as LC100/LX470 which are long out of production (last produced in 2007).

Further insights welcome o_O:hmm: …..

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Not sure that it helps but shown below is the date code used on the LC100/LX470 Height Control Accumulator manufactured for Toyota/Lexus by KYB Corporation. If it is applicable, the same arrangement makes sense as a 'globe' manufacturing date if applied to the first four numbers shown on the 'globes' in my preceding Post #12 and pics -- but does not match the sticker date which may be a vehicle build date. The numbers shown on my hopefully newer replacement 'globes' as shown in my Post #1 clearly follow different rules, maybe different manufacturer -- in that case maybe "17Y" does mean 2017 as suggested in Post #4 by @LndXrsr.


More actual 'globe' examples would be helpful .....

Yes, I know -- it is a bit OCD -- such is the nature of research during COVID lock-downs!

AHC HCA Date Code.jpg
 
Bad news. Someone on Instagram got new globes and was kind enough to send me numbers:

MUV200-400
211220679
211220624

MUV200-500
211120273
211120190

No “Y” in the codes like others. I think my original theory is probably out the window. At leas mostly incorrect. Hoping the 21 at the start of all of these is year 2021, but that seems optimistic.
 
More data. Did my own globes yesterday, got new ones form Impex Japan. Old ones were original from 2000. How do I know? Becuase Toyota makes very high quality stickers that have survived my mudding, submersion, and God-knows-what else:

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Looks like they aren't putting stickers with dates on any more obviously. One of my new globes had a similar manufacturing code to our previous examples. Starts with 22, so I am hoping the first two digits are manufacturing year given that we had others in the past that would have reasonably correlated with this theory.

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More data. Did my own globes yesterday, got new ones form Impex Japan. Old ones were original from 2000. How do I know? Becuase Toyota makes very high quality stickers that have survived my mudding, submersion, and God-knows-what else:

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Looks like they aren't putting stickers with dates on any more obviously. One of my new globes had a similar manufacturing code to our previous examples. Starts with 22, so I am hoping the first two digits are manufacturing year given that we had others in the past that would have reasonably correlated with this theory.

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Archeological investigation requested please, if you are inclined ....

Wondering what are the numbers engraved/stamped on the metal case of the original OEM 'globes' removed from the vehicle -- below the muddy surface? These are almost visible when the pic of the old 'globe' is enlarged but are not clear ....
 
I will go clean them off sometime when I have the chance. I have all 4 originals. I think it's the "MUV-xxx" numbers but not certain either just glancing at that photo.
 
Here’s two of mine from this past weekend install

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Received my new globes today from IMPEX Japan… 1 sample of each, rear and front.

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Is it probable that the Globe Code is YY/M/DY/daily 4 digit serial number…?

month being 1-9, X is 10, Y is 11, Z is 12.???

Maybe
 
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