Skillet said:
Why? Your truck should still last you 300k
80 frame super strong not just boxed
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Why? Your truck should still last you 300k
I have yet to hear of one single roof failure due to this microscopic crack. Anyone?
Skillet said:
I think you are over reacting. Remember these are issues that usually come up after 100,000 miles. Don't see too many vehicles that even last that long.
concretejungle said:
Thank you for putting me in my place. I am a dyed in the wool Toyota fan. This is my 6th one so they must be doing something right.
It is simply frustrating when you log on to read about how wonderful and strong the frame is, only to discover that there is some other problem everyone is starting to have. Especially when it directly affects the usage you plan for the vehicle.
Then, you need to think about it when you put your new million dollar roof-top tent up there all the while knowing you are going to be doing the horizontal hat dance with one or two little senoritas on your two week adventure through Baja...
Right when she is screaming... "Un muchacho grande empujado!"
your fawking C-piller gives way and the big "O" falls into Mexoblivion!
Can you see where my frustration comes from?
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Skillet said:....
Then, you need to think about it when you put your new million dollar roof-top tent up there all the while knowing you are going to be doing the horizontal hat dance with one or two little senoritas on your two week adventure through Baja...
Right when she is screaming... "Un muchacho grande empujado!"
your fawking C-piller gives way and the big "O" falls into Mexoblivion!
Can you see where my frustration comes from?
Easily fixed, pickup smaller senoritas!
I see that, thanks for the pic. I have a small crack like that too and a larger one in my ass 
Just kidding with you.
Seriously, i personally have not heard a single story from anywhere in the world of that crack causing roof failure even with heavy racks and gear loaded on the roof. If someone has, please chime in. I have a ARB 3/4 rack, which is large enough for me to lay flat and fully extended. There have been a few lucky occasions where i wasn't on the rack alone . My roof was rocking and the pillars held up fine.
Now the HG is a different story. I think that is one thing that the Toyota engineers didn't quite get right.
Just kidding with you. Seriously, i personally have not heard a single story from anywhere in the world of that crack causing roof failure even with heavy racks and gear loaded on the roof. If someone has, please chime in. I have a ARB 3/4 rack, which is large enough for me to lay flat and fully extended. There have been a few lucky occasions where i wasn't on the rack alone
. My roof was rocking and the pillars held up fine. Now the HG is a different story. I think that is one thing that the Toyota engineers didn't quite get right.
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z80 said:
Some of them are. Some of them are welded in. Also at these sections the frame is doubled on each side. So like the steering box has 4 layers of steel. Same with the motor mounts. They were a PITA to cut out. I'd say it is at least 3/8" thick on each side and then tubes are welded through. Ford F150s don't have fully boxed frames. I don't know about Rovers. I guess it the Dodges that I think about when I see the cracked frames at the steering boxes. Although my neighbors frame did crack on his f150 right at the box. He got a low rider on one side really quick. I'm impressed by the 80 frame. It might not be perfect but it is a lot better than the stuff I see on other rigs.
Skillet- here's my take: although many hardcore LC-fans won't admit it, the FZJ80-series is just NOT as reliable OR maintenance-free as an old 22R-based 4Runner (or 60-series) which you can drive/abuse the hell out of for 200-300k without any problems AND with *very little* maintenance, however IMHO it makes up for this by being a much more comfortable ride, and a much heavier-duty truck. (How's that for a run-on sentence?) 
The HG, front axle seals, pan arch seal / rear main seal, starter contacts, PHH, EGR are all weak points. I know, I know- the starter contacts, front axle seals, PHH are maintenance items, but the very fact that they are required maintenance around 60k is a weak point in my opinion- I say this because Toyota / other manufacturers have done better on other vehicles. People here will argue until they are blue in the face about how Toyota did the best they could with the head gasket materials at the time, how other vehicles won't last half as long, etc, but the bottom line is these are weak points for someone who owns the vehicle, and there are other vehicles out there that are more reliable (like the aforementioned 22R-based 4Runners). IMHO, those vehicles just aren't as good in other ways such as offroad capability, roominess, power, etc. The LC has weak points, just like any other vehicle.
That said, why did I buy my 80? Because it's reliable, roomy, and very good offroad. Is it one of the most reliable vehicles in existence? I don't think so. It certainly is durable, fairly reliable, and it will last a long time if you take care of many maintenance and preventative repair items. It is a good compromise, and a good fit for my needs.
The HG, front axle seals, pan arch seal / rear main seal, starter contacts, PHH, EGR are all weak points. I know, I know- the starter contacts, front axle seals, PHH are maintenance items, but the very fact that they are required maintenance around 60k is a weak point in my opinion- I say this because Toyota / other manufacturers have done better on other vehicles. People here will argue until they are blue in the face about how Toyota did the best they could with the head gasket materials at the time, how other vehicles won't last half as long, etc, but the bottom line is these are weak points for someone who owns the vehicle, and there are other vehicles out there that are more reliable (like the aforementioned 22R-based 4Runners). IMHO, those vehicles just aren't as good in other ways such as offroad capability, roominess, power, etc. The LC has weak points, just like any other vehicle.
That said, why did I buy my 80? Because it's reliable, roomy, and very good offroad. Is it one of the most reliable vehicles in existence? I don't think so. It certainly is durable, fairly reliable, and it will last a long time if you take care of many maintenance and preventative repair items. It is a good compromise, and a good fit for my needs.
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concrete jungle said:
PHH--Really this is just maintenance. All hoses on any truck should be replaced after 100,000 miles IMHO
True, but this is required PM to be safe around 60k mi, too early for such a difficult-to-reach hose if you ask me.
Birf--repack the birf and replace the oil seal correctly and you are good for well over 100,000 miles
Face it- 80-series front-end seals are a weak-point. Every 60k is recommended on this forum. I agree, but I think the fact that the interval is so short indicates this is a weak point.
Front & Rear seals--which seals?
Pan Arch and Rear main seals- Pan Arch is a common problem
Transmission Solonoid--Haven't heard of this.
That's because this is one of the problems faced by the older A442F tranny owners on the '93-94 80s
PHH--Really this is just maintenance. All hoses on any truck should be replaced after 100,000 miles IMHO
True, but this is required PM to be safe around 60k mi, too early for such a difficult-to-reach hose if you ask me.
Birf--repack the birf and replace the oil seal correctly and you are good for well over 100,000 miles
Face it- 80-series front-end seals are a weak-point. Every 60k is recommended on this forum. I agree, but I think the fact that the interval is so short indicates this is a weak point.
Front & Rear seals--which seals?
Pan Arch and Rear main seals- Pan Arch is a common problem
Transmission Solonoid--Haven't heard of this.
That's because this is one of the problems faced by the older A442F tranny owners on the '93-94 80s
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