2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)

[M1911]

One camp is saying the 4Runner and LC Prado are the same truck. You say something to the contrary. I would be keen to hear your thoughts as I know nothing about the 4Runner expect what I learned from a mornings test drive. About the 1Gr and transmission issue I could not reproduce any of the common negatives during my drive but that could very well be the effect of my style of driving. You may proceed your honor..

It’s not exactly the same truck, but similar. Same frame. The GX460 is closer to the Prado than the 4Runner. The 4Runner has unique sheetmetal.

 

[malden]

Here is one of your $58k TRD-PROs. MSRP is $54,620. It takes the destination charge and dealer garbage add ns to hit $58k.

Yes and most of the dealers on this Toyota generated availability list also are asking 10K ADM...so we get into the $68K range. plus sales tax and license. Price adds up fast. Absurd really, but that's supply and demand at work.

 

[stridertexas]

Gulf States makes you buy $2-3k in accessories regardless if a dealer adds others.

So last I looked before summer a 4R SR5Premium 4WD is like $57k here in Texas…

 

[M1911]

So I keep imagining how amazing the 5.7 might have been on the 300...oh man I guess we can keep dreaming. Though I bet someones gonna swap one down the line.

I don’t. The 200 is already plenty powerful. My complaint about the 200 with the 5.7 is the abysmal fuel economy. I would prefer an engine that gets significantly better fuel economy and would accept a minor reduction in performance.

 

[malden]

That’s just the Southeast distributor raping you folks down there. The rest of the US is distributed directly by Toyota USA.

The Toyota availability list I am looking at is for the Southwest/Calif. etc

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

I just checked it this AM. With my zip code set, 02142, base price for TRD Pro is $54,620, about $55,200 with the most expensive option pack.

I agree, MSRP is the number that matters. If people want to start dragging out add-ons it is going to get ridiculous. Especially for those of us forced to live under the tyranny of Southeast Toyota Distributors, who through a fluke of history are independent of Toyota USA and have to pay more to support Jim Moran's fleet of Yachts.

 

[Brown98LC]

Edit- Sorry, just realized you where asking where it is and not claiming it was.

Where is this LC300 GR for $76k? I looked at Australia and they are over $100k USD.

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Someone please post a link to the mythical $35k non 3 door 164bhp Prado and the $76k LC300 GR Sport.

The GR 300 is honestly kind of a gimmick.
You can get everything the GR sport 300 has to offer on other LC300 trims except the E-KDSS.

You can get a basic spec twin turbo 6 LC300 petrol 409hp for as cheap as $69k in some markets.
or
around $67k for the twin 6 diesel.

both excellent engines and more powerful than anything the 250 platform has to offer out of the box.

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Toyota saudi for reference

 

[M1911]

Yes and most of the dealers on this Toyota generated availability list also are asking 10K ADM...so we get into the $68K range. plus sales tax and license. Price adds up fast. Absurd really, but that's supply and demand at work.

No, that extra $3k is the distributor in the southeast of the US. It isn’t ADM — that’s a separate issue. All of the US except the southeast has no distributor, just Toyota USA. The southeast has a private distributor between Toyota USA and the dealers. That distributor sucks.

 

[Brown98LC]

I don’t. The 200 is already plenty powerful. My complaint about the 200 with the 5.7 is the abysmal fuel economy. I would prefer an engine that gets significantly better fuel economy and would accept a minor reduction in performance.

Then the 250 is gonna be great for you, the 200 is terrible to drive compared to the 300, so I imagine the 250 is gonna be much better too.

The 200 is just too heavy and cumbersome to daily honestly, after driving the 300, how the hell did we endure it for 14 years lol.

 

[M1911]

The Toyota availability list I am looking at is for the Southwest/Calif. etc

Reset your zip code to Boston and you will see the same numbers I am seeing.

 

[M1911]

Then the 250 is gonna be great for you, the 200 is terrible to drive compared to the 300, so I imagine the 250 is gonna be much better too.

The 200 is just too heavy and cumbersome to daily honestly, after driving the 300, how the hell did we endure it for 14 years lol.

Time will tell about the 250. Even if initial reports are great, I’m not going to buy anything for a few years. 1) I’ll let someone else experience the early issues and 2) Toyota supply chain issues result in high prices at the dealer due to nearly zero inventory.

 

[Brown98LC]

Time will tell about the 250. Even if initial reports are great, I’m not going to buy anything for a few years. 1) I’ll let someone else experience the early issues and 2) Toyota supply chain issues result in high prices at the dealer due to nearly zero inventory.

one thing that may shock some 200 owners is, don't be surprised if you get in the 250 and it feels ''flimsy''. It may not feel as tank like on the surface vs the 200, but the mechanical parts should be excellent and on par ( if not better ).

When you open the door of the 300 and get in, the weight loss and the fact the body is mostly aluminum can be off putting at first if you are just talking about ''tank like feeling''. Anyway this may not apply to the 250 as much because the 250 only has an aluminum hood vs the 300 which uses way more aluminum on the body.

However if fuel economy is your main concern hopefully that wont matter and it will have lots of pros anyway that will make you probably not miss the 200..
Time will tell as you said.

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

No, that extra $3k is the distributor in the southeast of the US. It isn’t ADM — that’s a separate issue. All of the US except the southeast has no distributor, just Toyota USA. The southeast has a private distributor between Toyota USA and the dealers. That distributor sucks.

Some of the extra $3k is SE Toyota crap. Not the destination though. What he posted was advertised prices though, not MSRP. Lets see how his examples got to $58k. ADM's are a sad reality but it does not really factor into a debate over Toyota pricing.... or are we going to also adjust Broncos for their ADM's. They also vary so drastically by dealer that it makes any price discussion impossible.

 

[Brown98LC]

The annoying thing for me is if this thing is going to be on sale sometime in 2024, lets say February/March? Maybe earlier or later not sure.
Then a few months later and it will be MY2025 and rumors claim that the first official facelift of the 300 might actually be for MY2025.
So would I rather a GEN 2 300, or a GEN 1 250? I know they aren't direct competitors, but in a sense they are now.
So yes its definitely a crazy time to be an LC fan, positive though rather than negative hopefully.

 

[stridertexas]

MSRP
+Distributor accessories
+ Dealer accessories
= Toyota’s known pricing

+ADM is just another price add on.

My guess is a fully loaded GX with every option will near $90k w/ distributor and dealer accessories.

 

[OGBeno]

No, that extra $3k is the distributor in the southeast of the US. It isn’t ADM — that’s a separate issue. All of the US except the southeast has no distributor, just Toyota USA. The southeast has a private distributor between Toyota USA and the dealers. That distributor sucks.

This is incorrect.

There is SET: Southeast Toyota

There is GST: Gulf States Toyota.

There is the rest of the US.

Both SET/GST are independent from TMNA and both operate differently than TMNA.

The US market was completely split up into distributorships, initially. That’s how Toyota gained foothold globally.

Toyota bought every single one in the US except for SET and GST for a number of reasons.

 

[malden]

MSRP
+Distributor accessories
+ Dealer accessories
= Toyota’s known pricing

+ADM is just another price add on.

My guess is a fully loaded GX with every option will near $90k w/ distributor and dealer accessories.

Precisely. I hate to be practical here, but it seems to me that MSRP is only relevant if you can buy the thing at MSRP. And, in this precise case, you can’t because Dealers get in your way. And dealers will probably muscle buyers even more for the new LC250 and GX. I don't think your 90K+ is far off.

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

This is incorrect.

There is SET: Southeast Toyota

There is GST: Gulf States Toyota.

There is the rest of the US.

Both SET/GST are independent from TMNA and both operate differently than TMNA.

The US market was completely split up into distributorships, initially. That’s how Toyota gained foothold globally.

Toyota bought every single one in the US except for SET and GST for a number of reasons.

This is why SET is how it is. Anyone who has ever lived in South Florida has seen how many yachts SET has to support.

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[malden]

The annoying thing for me is if this thing is going to be on sale sometime in 2024, lets say February/March? Maybe earlier or later not sure.
Then a few months later and it will be MY2025 and rumors claim that the first official facelift of the 300 might actually be for MY2025.
So would I rather a GEN 2 300, or a GEN 1 250? I know they aren't direct competitors, but in a sense they are now.
So yes its definitely a crazy time to be an LC fan, positive though rather than negative hopefully.

Now that is a perplexing wrinkle....

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

Precisely. I hate to be practical here, but it seems to me that MSRP is only relevant if you can buy the thing at MSRP. And, in this precise case, you can’t because Dealers get in your way. And dealers will probably muscle buyers even more for the new LC250 and GX. I don't think your 90K+ is far off.

Then there is no point discussing price unless we are going to do it at the micro level dealer by dealer.