Yep. Go with the 2015.
2017 value vs. 2015; value of changes with MY16
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I agree your 2015 is just now hitting its stride and no need to trade. But truth be told, I do love my 18. In the end we all make lots of decisions that make no financial sense about our vehicles. Just keep it reasonably within your budget and do what you want. No one can tell you the right decision, because there is no wrong decision if you can afford it.
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Ha - there is NO WAY I was going to put up with that $30k difference. For those asking about the numbers, the Cruiser in question was a ‘17, had 7k miles and the dealer wanted $70k for it - not comically bad, but also pretty high. They also only valued my 2015 Cruiser with 64k miles at $40k - it was in great condition. They were on opposite ends of their respective KBB values and additionally +/- thousands as well not in my favor. The combined values and subsequent offer didn’t even qualify as a non-starter, it just wasn’t going to happen. I remained polite, made a counter offer that was rejected and I wished them well in their business.
Found another Cruiser even closer. 20k miles instead of 7k, black interior instead of mocha, outstanding condition. I’ll happily provide exact numbers via DM, but the gist of it is that there was an initial “ok” offer and they accepted my counter that was $10k less than what the original dealer wanted for their deal. Sure I got a car with 13k more miles, but depreciation isn’t $.80/mile either.
Sure enough, as I’m signing the paperwork on the better deal today, the original dealer calls with a much much more reasonable offer. The dealer that made the better offer initially and didn’t play the call-back games got my business.
@18Cruiser - solid points. There’s plenty of people in this world that can afford a $30k difference without a second thought. There’s also plenty that couldn’t afford what I paid. I’m happy with my deal, and so far love the ‘17, even more than the ‘15... which I loved.
And without a pic, I know I’m committing the cardinal sin here, so give me until the morning. But I promise it looks like every other stock grey 2017 200 with black interior.
Found another Cruiser even closer. 20k miles instead of 7k, black interior instead of mocha, outstanding condition. I’ll happily provide exact numbers via DM, but the gist of it is that there was an initial “ok” offer and they accepted my counter that was $10k less than what the original dealer wanted for their deal. Sure I got a car with 13k more miles, but depreciation isn’t $.80/mile either.
Sure enough, as I’m signing the paperwork on the better deal today, the original dealer calls with a much much more reasonable offer. The dealer that made the better offer initially and didn’t play the call-back games got my business.
@18Cruiser - solid points. There’s plenty of people in this world that can afford a $30k difference without a second thought. There’s also plenty that couldn’t afford what I paid. I’m happy with my deal, and so far love the ‘17, even more than the ‘15... which I loved.
And without a pic, I know I’m committing the cardinal sin here, so give me until the morning. But I promise it looks like every other stock grey 2017 200 with black interior.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not dissing you I bought a new Aston Martin I would go out to the garage open the hood take off the turned stainless steel cap on the brake fluid and just marvel at the beauty of the craftsmanship and the vehicle. Lotta people think spending over $150,000 on a vehicle is a stupid way to spend money but I enjoyed it. How would I do that again no been there done that. Enjoy your new ride. Life is short
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No diss taken of course. Whether it’s cars, boats, or (someone else’s) airplanes... it’s a viciously depreciating “asset.”
If you have an opportunity to share a pic of the Aston Martin, please do so.
I can also think of lots of stupid-er ways to spend money than cars.
If you have an opportunity to share a pic of the Aston Martin, please do so.
I can also think of lots of stupid-er ways to spend money than cars.
Where the pics of the best 200 series?
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So true! Absolutely love this 200.
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In all her new (to me) glory
Oh that's NIIIIIIIICE!!!! Congrats!
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A couple notes after the first few days of driving.
Almost immediately noticeable was the seat height. I’m only 6’1” but on the ‘15 I always had to slouch slightly even with the back bottom of the seat as low as it would go to not have a strangely high seating position. It wasn’t a big slouch, but on a long day in the car I was stretching a lot. The ‘17 seems to go just a tad lower. Not a ton, but just enough to make it a lot better. I think the Strange because I doubt it was redesigned, but it is nice.
The much discussed transmission - this is personally my opinion but it does at slower speeds shift gears a lot, but it’s always been in the right gear. I like it.
78 mph stock I was getting 19mpg hand calculated over 350 miles. Negligible wind.
The sound system sounds better, the blind spot, cross traffic, are great, and the infotainment screen improvements are appreciated over the ‘15. For me the blind spot is the biggest of all of these as a second check.
The autodimming high beams are a trip. I’m usually pretty quick to dim with oncoming traffic and they beat me to it.
Only issue is the driver’s seatbelt female part rattled like crazy. Not something in it but the plastic around it. Dealer couldn’t take care of it until upcoming Wednesday so I tried some silicone lub spray on the important parts and it hasn’t made a peep since.
Almost immediately noticeable was the seat height. I’m only 6’1” but on the ‘15 I always had to slouch slightly even with the back bottom of the seat as low as it would go to not have a strangely high seating position. It wasn’t a big slouch, but on a long day in the car I was stretching a lot. The ‘17 seems to go just a tad lower. Not a ton, but just enough to make it a lot better. I think the Strange because I doubt it was redesigned, but it is nice.
The much discussed transmission - this is personally my opinion but it does at slower speeds shift gears a lot, but it’s always been in the right gear. I like it.
78 mph stock I was getting 19mpg hand calculated over 350 miles. Negligible wind.
The sound system sounds better, the blind spot, cross traffic, are great, and the infotainment screen improvements are appreciated over the ‘15. For me the blind spot is the biggest of all of these as a second check.
The autodimming high beams are a trip. I’m usually pretty quick to dim with oncoming traffic and they beat me to it.
Only issue is the driver’s seatbelt female part rattled like crazy. Not something in it but the plastic around it. Dealer couldn’t take care of it until upcoming Wednesday so I tried some silicone lub spray on the important parts and it hasn’t made a peep since.
Sounds like you're happy and that is the key. I, too, went with the later model and part of the reason was the BSM, auto high beams and, for me, the adaptive cruise. As for the transmission, I drove a Land Rover LR4 for 2 years before buying the LC. The LR4 was also a heavy vehicle and also had an "intelligent/adaptive" 8-speed transmission so I was accustomed to the more frequent gear changes at lower speeds. I think the LC is geared a bit lower on the low end, especially first gear, but the bottom line is that with 8 gears, it is going to shift more often. (The Land Rover 8-speed was an OEM transmission that is very well regarded in the industry and has been used in a lot of applications in various vehicles. It is customizable so each manufacturer decides what they want. I don't know if Toyota uses this same transmission.)
BTW, I hated the Rear Entertainment System displays and didn't need them so I removed them.
BTW, I hated the Rear Entertainment System displays and didn't need them so I removed them.
Hate to say it but we all told you so
You bought the best LC of the 200 years, and it’s no surprise you are happy with it
Enjoy it in good health. 16+ is where it’s at
You bought the best LC of the 200 years, and it’s no surprise you are happy with it
Enjoy it in good health. 16+ is where it’s at
Of course I am biased because I just bought a 15 (and ultra clean to boot), but I sat in a brand new 18 yesterday and did not like it:
1. Higher hood inhibits visibility.
2. Center console/relocated buttons - do not look better to me. Perhaps make access easier to some. I like the larger storage in the center console in the 13-15.
3. Black headliner. Maybe more practical but makes the truck look claustrophobic. I like black interior, but black headliner/pillars is too much.
4. Chrome below windows. Meh.
Then of course the 8-speed, which is still bit of unknown quality.
At least the hideous monitors were gone on that one, but I understand this wasn't an option for 16-17. Perhaps now the parts to plug the holes are available at least?
1. Higher hood inhibits visibility.
2. Center console/relocated buttons - do not look better to me. Perhaps make access easier to some. I like the larger storage in the center console in the 13-15.
3. Black headliner. Maybe more practical but makes the truck look claustrophobic. I like black interior, but black headliner/pillars is too much.
4. Chrome below windows. Meh.
Then of course the 8-speed, which is still bit of unknown quality.
At least the hideous monitors were gone on that one, but I understand this wasn't an option for 16-17. Perhaps now the parts to plug the holes are available at least?
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Interesting thread. I bought my 2015 LC in December with 19,000 Miles CPO. It was in service 2 years and the owner of the dealerships wife's car. Clean as a whistle with all service records here in Oregon where I live. I bought it as my last vehicle ever! I'm 64 and hope I can do what I set out to do? I've had a '91 FJ 80 and loved it and a 2014 4Runner. But this is it folks! I love reading all the comments about why this year is a better year than that, but I'm sticking to my plan because upgrades never end.
Here is hoping you live a long life
Granted, none of the "cons" of 16+ would really stop me from buying the truck. Well, unless the 8-speed was a turd (which there is no evidence it is). Well, the monitors would be a near-deal killer, too, but I guess I would look for a solution to delete them.
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