1 Year Later

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Man, sorry to hear of your troubles. That really sucks.
I know it's probably no help; but I did see a 2f
motor for sale on Kalamazoo craigslist as of 6-18
seller asks $600. Good luck with your engine, and did I miss
the name of the shop?
 
John's Machine Shop

JOHN'S MACHINE SHOP in Olathe, KS. I would avoid it if at all possible. John seems to be a really nice guy, but I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. I had a face to face with him this afternoon and got nowhere.

I have a cooler head now than I had when I posted. I called a friend that rebuilds 4 cylinder race engines, and he's still not interested in looking at the 2F. I have spent more time waiting on a motor for this 40 than driving it. I think I'm going to drill out the bolt (which btw is in the side cover not the head) replace it and move forward. Which leads me to a question.

Do the side cover bolts go through the block? I'm concerned if I drill it out to extract it, might I get metal shavings in the oil?
 
I don't believe they do. Those are pretty small bolts, only 8mm I think. On a fresh rebuild it should extract pretty easy with a left hand bit, and you won't have too many shavings. Some grease will collect any stray shavings if it's a concern.

Really sorry to hear about all your troubles with this motor. I'd definitely pull the valve cover off and prime it to make sure your getting oil through the motor before starting it since you can't trust their work. Good luck.
 
DITTO Colin.. Left handed drill bit and go slow and steady. really it's probably not worth your trouble to take a side cover bolt out. they're shallow. pull one next to it and stick a toothpick in there to give you an idea how shallow.
 
Oh Frick! Now what?

Left the side cover on and used a punch to dimple the middle of the bolt. Was having trouble so I went ahead and removed the cover to get a better view of what was going on. Oops! I guess I wasn't so centered. Any ideas now?
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It's kind of hard to see whats going on in the pictures, but it looks like the bolt broke off uneven, and the part you center punched is offset to the top side of the bolt (looks like it is a bottom bolt, just forward of the oil filter?)

I still think your best bet is to use the reverse drill bit and drill it out. Start small and just keep working your way up in size.
 
what did you use to drill with? curious.. did you use a regular drill bit or a left handed.. reason for asking is left handed drill bit will eventually grab the bolt and extract it at the same time without driving it further in the block. regular drill bit will grab and drive it further in..
 
The first pic shows it in the hole and you can even make out the dimple I put on it with a punch. The second pic shows it after I drilled it out with the "regular" drill bit that came with my cheapo screw extraction set. I tried finding left hand bits but no luck and I was too impatient to wait.

After it did not come out I removed the fuel pump, oil filter and side cover to get a better view of what was going on. (Should have done that in the first place) That's when I realized I had not drilled in the center. I tried putting another dimple in the top and was going to drill again, and basically remove as much of the bolt as possible. Broke my bit and decided I'd screwed it up enough. So I went to the experts for advice.

If I continue to use bigger bits I will be drilling out the threads in the block and will have to go back to a machine shop to have it helicoiled. I've waited too dang long to send this to someone else to fix, so I'm trying my darndest to fix it myself and get it installed this weekend.
 
BTW, I now have left hand bits on order from McMaster Carr for the next time.
 
ccasteel said:
If I continue to use bigger bits I will be drilling out the threads in the block and will have to go back to a machine shop to have it helicoiled. I've waited too dang long to send this to someone else to fix, so I'm trying my darndest to fix it myself and get it installed this weekend.
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You definately don't want to get into the threads if you can avoid it. Not the end of the world, and you can helicoil yourself, you don't have to take it to a machine shop, but it will be a lot easier to avoid that all together.

I thought you were using left hand bits, which like Erik said will pull it out. I would advise holding off on any more drilling until you get the bits.

13 Piece Left-Hand Drill Bit Set

EDIT: OK, I see whats going on in the pics now. You've already got a pretty good chunk drilled out. Have you drilled all the way to the end of the bolt? If not, then there may be enough left to still get a left hand bit into inside the large hole already drilled???
 
Another thought is if there is already enough drilled out, and you can get a chisel in there to come down from the top, you might be able to knock it down out of the threads far enough to get some needle nose vise grips on it and back it out? :meh:

Any other suggestions guys? Is there enough "meat" left in there to start with a 1/8" left hand bit?
 
Got it.

Finally got it. Drilled the top side and managed to tap a tiny screwdriver on either side of a chunk of the bolt. Then eeked out a few bits with some needle nose pliers. I retapped it. There's still some in there, but there's enough depth that I can put a new bolt in and torque it down.
 
Install

Things are moving along and I'm hoping to install the motor this Saturday. Is anyone looking for something to do Saturday that might lend a hand. I know I can get it done by myself eventually, but it would sure be nice to get it done sooner rather than later. I'm in Olathe, and unfortunately not in an air conditioned building. But I do have a fridge and am old enough to buy beer if that helps.
 
I have company coming in town so I can only wish you luck and good alignment of your motor mounts and not assist..
 
Dejavu

There's something familiar going on here. I was working in the dead of heat the last time I was installing this motor. Man, I wish I had ac in here. The motor is in. I spent more time getting the tranny mated up, and running to the store for bolts, than it took to actually get it in place.
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