Why would I get this code again? (Requesting all opinions)

[bones25]

Hey everyone, about 6 months ago I had the whole multi light popup on the dash. Code was P2714 (solenoid).

Took it to a transmission shop, they did the following:
- Transmission Filter Kit
- Rebuilt Valve Body
- Transmission Fluid

Now about 6 months later, the lights pop up. I pull the codes and get the same P2714 (solenoid) code.

I will say, the truck drives normal. Even the first time it did. Dare I say it drives even better? Regardless of that, anyone have any idea why this would happen especially after the repair?

 

[04UZJ100]

Year? Miles? Service history?

 

[bones25]

Year? Miles? Service history?

2008
About 178k miles
rebuilt valve body at 174k
Regularly maintained

 

[Sandroad]

See post 9 in this thread. In the 2008, that code may not be the solenoid?

Thread 'Hello and Shift/Pressure Solenoid Error Codes'

May 15, 2022

Hello,
In April, after years (over a decade!) of thinking about it, I pulled the trigger and purchased a new to me Series 200 Land Cruiser. She is a 2009 with 136,000 when I picked her up from a local dealership. She was really clean and according to the CarFax report, she spent most her days in Florida and Texas before coming to Cali.

After a couple trips, the Check Engine, Check VSC System, and 4 Lo light started blinking. I also noticed my fuel range went from 309 with a full tank to 274, at least that is what the computer says. I also noticed higher RPMs on the tachometer for about...

• 707Cruiser
• Replies: 41
• Forum: 200-Series Cruisers

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[bones25]

See post 9 in this thread. In the 2008, that code may not be the solenoid?

Thread 'Hello and Shift/Pressure Solenoid Error Codes'

May 15, 2022

Hello,
In April, after years (over a decade!) of thinking about it, I pulled the trigger and purchased a new to me Series 200 Land Cruiser. She is a 2009 with 136,000 when I picked her up from a local dealership. She was really clean and according to the CarFax report, she spent most her days in Florida and Texas before coming to Cali.

After a couple trips, the Check Engine, Check VSC System, and 4 Lo light started blinking. I also noticed my fuel range went from 309 with a full tank to 274, at least that is what the computer says. I also noticed higher RPMs on the tachometer for about...

• 707Cruiser
• Replies: 41
• Forum: 200-Series Cruisers

• 

Hmmm, from what I understand in that post "transmission component slipping" would be the code for the 2008?

For reference, what the reader shows (the C1201 is because of the P codes, can disregard) :

 

[Sandroad]

Be sure to read the entire thread. There is additional info in there about 2714

 

[bones25]

Be sure to read the entire thread. There is additional info in there about 2714

Just read the full thread, seems like a variety of outcomes. Some replaced the valve body, others needed a new transmission.

I went to the shop that did the valve body for me and they say I need a new transmission. They were persistent about the pistons specifically. And funny enough, there was another 200 series there coincidentally for the same issue.

Idk, I'm a little confused why I'd need a new transmission on a truck that has such a "tough" drivetrain, but maybe it's just one of the unlucky moments.

Again, I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this or what I could do

 

[TeCKis300]

Sorry you're getting this. What is the service history on the transmission fluid specifically?

 

[bones25]

Sorry you're getting this. What is the service history on the transmission fluid specifically?

Went back and read through the maintenance records. This is what I found:

Then at about 174k miles, when doing the valve body, they did the following:

Funny enough: I went to another shop right now and they also had a 200 series needing a new transmission.............

 

[linuxgod]

My transmission went out right around the same mileage. I suspect a solenoid had failed, but the result was sparkly fluid which indicated at least one of the clutches was heavily worn. I can’t recall my specific codes offhand. I tow a lot so I’ll accept heavy usage as the cause but it’s absolutely disappointing.

 

[bones25]

My transmission went out right around the same mileage. I suspect a solenoid had failed, but the result was sparkly fluid which indicated at least one of the clutches was heavily worn. I can’t recall my specific codes offhand. I tow a lot so I’ll accept heavy usage as the cause but it’s absolutely disappointing.

That sucks to hear. I left it at another shop for a second opinion just in case. Honestly I'll be gutted if I need to replace the transmission since I bought the truck maybe 7ish months ago? Some things I knew about or had an idea, but transmission wasn't one I would've expected.

If I need to put a new transmission in, any recommendations?

 

[linuxgod]

That sucks to hear. I left it at another shop for a second opinion just in case. Honestly I'll be gutted if I need to replace the transmission since I bought the truck maybe 7ish months ago? Some things I knew about or had an idea, but transmission wasn't one I would've expected.

If I need to put a new transmission in, any recommendations?

The Toyota reman units (done by Aisin but sold through Toyota) are $3000-3500. No 20% off with free shipping deals on those, sadly. With labor, fluids, etc expect to be in it for $6000-6500. It’s a big job, maybe 18 hours. exhaust has to come off, etc so there are a lot of smaller one time use parts that have to be swapped. Have the shop pump some ATF through the cooler line to flush any contaminates once the transmission is out.

Spend the extra $200-250 and do the starter at the same time unless it’s been replaced since they tend to go about 200k and are an 8 hour job normally but it has to come off to get to one of the transmission bolts.

It’s possible a good shop will find something else, but if they did the valve body and solenoids TBH I don’t think there’s much else except the clutches and brakes which require pulling the transmission and dismantling it to access. Sorry I know that sucks to hear. Mine went suddenly - really no signs and then I was on a trail and realized 2nd gear wasn’t engine braking it was basically neutral.

 

[bones25]

The Toyota reman units (done by Aisin but sold through Toyota) are $3000-3500. No 20% off with free shipping deals on those, sadly. With labor, fluids, etc expect to be in it for $6000-6500. It’s a big job, maybe 18 hours. exhaust has to come off, etc so there are a lot of smaller one time use parts that have to be swapped. Have the shop pump some ATF through the cooler line to flush any contaminates once the transmission is out.

Spend the extra $200-250 and do the starter at the same time unless it’s been replaced since they tend to go about 200k and are an 8 hour job normally but it has to come off to get to one of the transmission bolts.

It’s possible a good shop will find something else, but if they did the valve body and solenoids TBH I don’t think there’s much else except the clutches and brakes which require pulling the transmission and dismantling it to access. Sorry I know that sucks to hear. Mine went suddenly - really no signs and then I was on a trail and realized 2nd gear wasn’t engine braking it was basically neutral.

Thanks for all this info, I appreciate all the help. I feel like I say this a lot but one more repair and hopefully I'm good for a while

I do wonder though if the drive should have felt different when the valve body was rebuilt vs prior

 

[linuxgod]

Thanks for all this info, I appreciate all the help. I feel like I say this a lot but one more repair and hopefully I'm good for a while

I do wonder though if the drive should have felt different when the valve body was rebuilt vs prior

Totally depends on what was worn, but possibly not even if it was starting to fail.

 

[bones25]

Totally depends on what was worn, but possibly not even if it was starting to fail.

Just got pricing and opinion from the shop. Wanted to share here for anyone's reference if needed.

Jasper transmission: about $8100 with 3 year 100k warranty
Toyota transmission: about $6500 with 1 year part only warranty

both of which are months out

My transmission is getting the right commands but performance isn't there. The seals harden inside and that causes issues. According to both shops, this happens with cars this age. I do wonder what makes the difference between the transmissions that this happens to vs those of the same year that expand with no issue.

 

[Sandroad]

Just got pricing and opinion from the shop. Wanted to share here for anyone's reference if needed.

Jasper transmission: about $8100 with 3 year 100k warranty
Toyota transmission: about $6500 with 1 year part only warranty

both of which are months out

My transmission is getting the right commands but performance isn't there. The seals harden inside and that causes issues. According to both shops, this happens with cars this age. I do wonder what makes the difference between the transmissions that this happens to vs those of the same year that expand with no issue.

Months for a 6-speed? That’s hard to believe. I guess it’s specific to the 200 and that year?

 

[bones25]

Months for a 6-speed? That’s hard to believe. I guess it’s specific to the 200 and that year?

Your guess is as good as mine. They said they’d receive it January

 

[linuxgod]

Just got pricing and opinion from the shop. Wanted to share here for anyone's reference if needed.

Jasper transmission: about $8100 with 3 year 100k warranty
Toyota transmission: about $6500 with 1 year part only warranty

both of which are months out

My transmission is getting the right commands but performance isn't there. The seals harden inside and that causes issues. According to both shops, this happens with cars this age. I do wonder what makes the difference between the transmissions that this happens to vs those of the same year that expand with no issue.

I can’t speak to parts availability today but when mine went a year ago dealers in Colorado had one within a few days.

$6500 installed for the Toyota one is the way to go. The Toyota reman are done by Aisin, so they’re OEM rebuilds. I can’t see why you’d pay more for a Jasper rebuild

 

[bones25]

I can’t speak to parts availability today but when mine went a year ago dealers in Colorado had one within a few days.

$6500 installed for the Toyota one is the way to go. The Toyota reman are done by Aisin, so they’re OEM rebuilds. I can’t see why you’d pay more for a Jasper rebuild

So you’d say the warranty shouldn’t be a deciding factor since it’s an OEM rebuild. Basically if something were to go wrong after that, I have bigger problems

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

1 year is Toyota's standard warranty for OE parts, and I dont think that says anything negative about the quality.

A 1year warranty that you dont need to use is better than a 3 year warranty that you do need to use, in my book.