Wheel bearing question…

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My 2011 GX460 160k miles is making a noise like a propeller in an airplane. It is speed dependent and becomes audible around 15-20mph and increases in frequency with speed up to at least 80mph, loudest between 50-60mph.

I thought it was the aging Ridge Grappler tires because it sounded maybe like mud tire tread blocks, but but I just replaced my tires with quiet AT’s and it’s still there, maybe even more noticeable now because the new tires are very quiet. When I brake hard to a stop and accelerate there is no change. When I lock the center diff the noise is unaffected. When I turn both ways at speed like on off ramps it doesn’t change but the noise changes on very hard right turns where it completely goes away. This has to be a right turn so hard the tires almost squeal, not a gentle off ramp turn at speed.

When I coast in neutral the noise is still there. When I ride the brakes while coasting the noise doesn’t change.

So the rule of thumb says if turning right goes silent it’s a right side front bearing. I jacked each corner and tried to rock the tire/wheel and found zero play at each corner. Spinning the wheels by hand I really didn’t hear much of anything either, maybe a slight noise from the left rear but at a frequency of once per tire rotation and the propeller sound is much higher frequency.

So I’m stumped. I’m wondering if I should still replace the passenger front bearing simply based on the fact the noise stops on hard right turns. If it wasn’t for that I’d probably lean towards driver rear as it’s the only one which seemed to make noise when spun by hand.
 
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At 160K, if they have not yet been replaced, they will probably be due for a replacement soon. So even if that is for some reason not your issue, it would be useful as preventative maintenance. It's an easy job, <1 hour per side for the fronts, while the rears are much more difficult/involved (but will normally last to 200K ish or maybe longer). Also I would not replace just one of them - if one is worn, the other will not be far behind it, so you should just replace both. The inner axle seal should also be replaced along with the wheel bearings.
 
At 160K, if they have not yet been replaced, they will probably be due for a replacement soon. So even if that is for some reason not your issue, it would be useful as preventative maintenance. It's an easy job, <1 hour per side for the fronts, while the rears are much more difficult/involved (but will normally last to 200K ish or maybe longer). Also I would not replace just one of them - if one is worn, the other will not be far behind it, so you should just replace both. The inner axle seal should also be replaced along with the wheel bearings.
Ok I ordered some cheapo Dorman front bearing/hub assemblies off amazon. Based on the link posted by @Pennwestmechanic and your feedback about my mileage it makes sense to change them. I’m traveling and will having them shipped to my next destination which is still about 1200 miles from home and will change them both. Being able to get pressed assemblies delivered in 48 hours on Amazon makes the Dorman sensible to me in this case. Luckily I brought tools with me and the swap looks easy like you said. Thank you 🙏

I’m going to keep the old hub/bearings and plan on using the original hubs with Timkins or OEM bearings for the next change, but I need something right now cause the noise is getting worse daily as I travel.
 
Ok I ordered some cheapo Dorman front bearing/hub assemblies off amazon. Based on the link posted by @Pennwestmechanic and your feedback about my mileage it makes sense to change them. I’m traveling and will having them shipped to my next destination which is still about 1200 miles from home and will change them both. Being able to get pressed assemblies delivered in 48 hours on Amazon makes the Dorman sensible to me in this case. Luckily I brought tools with me and the swap looks easy like you said. Thank you 🙏

I’m going to keep the old hub/bearings and plan on using the original hubs with Timkins or OEM bearings for the next change, but I need something right now cause the noise is getting worse daily as I travel.
My rig had some kind of a new-ish no-name bearing and hub in it when I bought it in 2020 (I suspect it was a Doorman or parts-store generic). By early 2023 one was already going out, so they only lasted 3-ish years. I ultimately replaced it with Yota Bearings and Hubs pre-build bearings which use a Koyo/NSK bearing and a Doorman hub. Those have been fine for the past 3 years. If you have a press, it would not be that hard to assemble the front bearings yourself - which may be what I do next time it needs them. However I personally would suggest not re-using the hub as pressing it in/our requires literal tons of force; if it's subjected to that multiple times it's possible that it will get bent.

For the rear bearings I used SKF pre-built hub assemblies (Rock Auto purchase), which were actually Japanese-made bearings (I forget if they were Koyos or NSK), but were much cheaper than pre-build rear hubs with Japanese bearings from any other source.
 
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Ok I ordered some cheapo Dorman front bearing/hub assemblies off amazon. Based on the link posted by @Pennwestmechanic and your feedback about my mileage it makes sense to change them. I’m traveling and will having them shipped to my next destination which is still about 1200 miles from home and will change them both. Being able to get pressed assemblies delivered in 48 hours on Amazon makes the Dorman sensible to me in this case. Luckily I brought tools with me and the swap looks easy like you said. Thank you 🙏

I’m going to keep the old hub/bearings and plan on using the original hubs with Timkins or OEM bearings for the next change, but I need something right now cause the noise is getting worse daily as I travel.
Sounds like your going to have an adventure!
I read the link I shared an It exactly what everyone goes through with bearings. I had a noisy one decades ago but no play I finally was shown how to test it an then had it repaired. Good luck and keep us updated
 
Sounds like your going to have an adventure!
I read the link I shared an It exactly what everyone goes through with bearings. I had a noisy one decades ago but no play I finally was shown how to test it an then had it repaired. Good luck and keep us updated

It’s a mini adventure a trip from South Florida up through northeastern TN with the family. These trips are why we bought the GX 6 years ago, it replaced both a minivan and a built wrangler rubicon with 1 vehicle. Outside of grumbly wheel bearings the trip has been great so far, and seeing some fall colors for a change has been a treat. My new Doorman bearings are showing delivery today so hopefully we will be back in shape soon.

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My 2011 GX460 160k miles is making a noise like a propeller in an airplane. It is speed dependent and becomes audible around 15-20mph and increases in frequency with speed up to at least 80mph, loudest between 50-60mph.

I thought it was the aging Ridge Grappler tires because it sounded maybe like mud tire tread blocks, but but I just replaced my tires with quiet AT’s and it’s still there, maybe even more noticeable now because the new tires are very quiet. When I brake hard to a stop and accelerate there is no change. When I lock the center diff the noise is unaffected. When I turn both ways at speed like on off ramps it doesn’t change but the noise changes on very hard right turns where it completely goes away. This has to be a right turn so hard the tires almost squeal, not a gentle off ramp turn at speed.

When I coast in neutral the noise is still there. When I ride the brakes while coasting the noise doesn’t change.

So the rule of thumb says if turning right goes silent it’s a right side front bearing. I jacked each corner and tried to rock the tire/wheel and found zero play at each corner. Spinning the wheels by hand I really didn’t hear much of anything either, maybe a slight noise from the left rear but at a frequency of once per tire rotation and the propeller sound is much higher frequency.

So I’m stumped. I’m wondering if I should still replace the passenger front bearing simply based on the fact the noise stops on hard right turns. If it wasn’t for that I’d probably lean towards driver rear as it’s the only one which seemed to make noise when spun by hand.

Possibly a CV joint?
 
It’s a mini adventure a trip from South Florida up through northeastern TN with the family. These trips are why we bought the GX 6 years ago, it replaced both a minivan and a built wrangler rubicon with 1 vehicle. Outside of grumbly wheel bearings the trip has been great so far, and seeing some fall colors for a change has been a treat. My new Doorman bearings are showing delivery today so hopefully we will be back in shape soon.

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Absolutely agree with your description of vehicles! The comfort and room of a mini van (well the GX is a wee bit smaller...) and the near capabilities of a Jeep. My wife and I love our road trips, either on or off the pavement!
 
Did you find out which bearing was the faulty one?
I suspect it was your driver side that was faulty.
I had wheel bearing noisy on my 460 about a year ago. Turning left made the noise go away so I figured it was the driver side but come to find out that it was actually the passenger side.
 
Did you find out which bearing was the faulty one?
I suspect it was your driver side that was faulty.
I had wheel bearing noisy on my 460 about a year ago. Turning left made the noise go away so I figured it was the driver side but come to find out that it was actually the passenger side.

Yes I did, and like you said the driver side was the really bad one. Off the car it spun freely in my hand and made easily heard crunching noises as it spun. The passenger side was definitely due for a change also but was silent.

Interestingly neither one had any play at all and I couldn’t hear noise spinning the tires with the car jacked. On the last day before I changed them the driver side also made a few chirps if I drove slow with the windows down I could hear it.

My takeaway is, for the front bearings when the noise goes away you are turning away from the bad one.
 
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