Wanna boot the 302!!!

[RUfj40crazy]

Ok so I’ve searched the forum and read the stuff on the Tojo truck and the 4.0 quadcam V8s engine swaps. I’ve been wanting to get the gas hog 302 ford bla out of the 40 and swap for something lighter, stronger, and possibly injected. I do however like the simplicity of mechanical carb style engines, you know digression and all. But there’s always something better plus I wanna go Toyota all the way thru, something about a ford in a Toyota bothers me!!!!!

Aight GO TO TOWN... Whatcha think is the best engine both unbared and/or budget?
oh BTW f-the damn gas mileage and tha hell with propane. Ill go there when i cant afford the gas anymore!!!

 

[brownbear]

ok either big v8 diesel or a toyota diesel. get the torque. that old flat bogged out 302 will be nice to be rid of. and a 6.2 diesel has been done lots in the 40, adapters are there and all.

 

[PUPTLAM]

dailey driver, mud truck or rock buggy? have to know what the engine will be used for.

 

[zebrabeefj40]

I'm thinkin' you'll find it hard to replace the 302 with a lighter motor unless you go with a GM 4.3 V6...and then it's not worth doing unless you use a TBI injected version IMHO. If you want a carbed Toyota motor then go back to a 2F with a good stock carb but it is definitely NOT lighter than the 302!

Nick

 

[Rice]

Like Nick said, Ford small blocks are about as light as you will find. A Diesel will increase fuel mileage but the weight increase is significant. Sadly you don't have a chevy already in there which would make a 6.2 swap a breeze.

 

[toddslater]

Call me crazy....but I appreciate the FSB motors. If your 302 is too tired and not enough left worth rebuilding...and you have a spare 3K. I'd buy a brand new 5.0 from Summit Racing and bolt it up and go. 345 hp with 9:1 compression (yes regular pump gas). GT40 aluminum heads and hydraulic roller camshaft...and brand spankin new. I know many on here are fans of the bow tie, but I like the 60 degree V and the distributor in the right location.

Ohh one more thing...if you decide to boot your FSB...I'll take your adaptors

 

[haystax]

I personally think you are nuts for bitchin about the 302, pretty solid motor, and arguably as light as they come. A 6.2 is a POS, one of the worst diesel motors ever made, plus it weighs a ton more than the 302. Why not just rebuild it or look for an EFI - a HO Mustang/Lincoln motor should bolt right up, I've seen a couple on Pirate in the last couple months. You will be out a ton of cash to go with anything Toyota that compares to the potential of the 302, Toyota or Cummins diesel is the only route I think may be a better choice but that is tons of pounds gained and tons of cash spent.

 

[Rice]

Call me crazy....but I appreciate the FSB motors. If your 302 is too tired and not enough left worth rebuilding...and you have a spare 3K. I'd buy a brand new 5.0 from Summit Racing and bolt it up and go. 345 hp with 9:1 compression (yes regular pump gas). GT40 aluminum heads and hydraulic roller camshaft...and brand spankin new. I know many on here are fans of the bow tie, but I like the 60 degree V and the distributor in the right location.

Ohh one more thing...if you decide to boot your FSB...I'll take your adaptors

60 degree V??? Ford's V8's are all 90* just like chevy. (exception ... a 60* V8 now available in Volvos ... owned by Ford)

 

[cruiser ken]

I've got a 302 in my 40 with RV cam, built for torqque, holley pro-jection, DUI distributor, and it works great.

edit: I picked up the 2Di projection on pirate for $400 with an extra fuel pump and the valve for dual tanks (which I didn't need but the price was right).

 

[Rice]

Nice pic Ken. Do you have a fuel pick up on the bottom AND the top of your tank?

 

[Tigerstripe40]

I've got a 302 in my 40 with RV cam, built for torqque, holley pro-jection, DUI distributor, and it works great.

edit: I picked up the 2Di projection on pirate for $400 with an extra fuel pump and the valve for dual tanks (which I didn't need but the price was right).

Nice pic.

Were you able to drive out of that?

 

[warpdriv]

Tired is an interesting term. Does it need a rebuild or do you want more HP. Have you considered changing/adding the gearing? I'm at 148:1 and I think a sewing machine is enough at ratio. What I am saying, instead of considering more motor, consider more gearing.

Just a thought...

 

[canadian bum]

I don't know why people would ever swap in a chev diesel because they are probably the bigest pile of crap going. Sure there may be the odd story of people having luck with chev diesels, but that is like having a look at some mythical creature. I agree with haystax with swapping in the cummins. And I don't see what is so bad about the 302 they are a pretty good engine compared to most. Also you can find a lot more performance parts for a 302 than you could probably find for a 2F. Not saying that the 2F is bad or anything, but your already set for the Ford V8.

 

[RUfj40crazy]

I guess I was looking for justification on changing out the 302. Seems as though it’s actually worth doing a rebuild on. At the moment it’s got a holly carb and an eddlebrock intake, not sure on the specifics of either, as I haven’t dug in just yet. The big thing that I need to work on is the headers (bad leak on the #1 cyl) and a top end rebuild (has blow by on one cylinder).

The one other big question is, where the engine mates to the conversion plate there is a 1/8 or so gap!

I really doubt its supposed to look like that but after inspection of the engine it seems as though all the bolts are torqued and the block is mated squarely to the rest of the c-plate!

WTF...Is it normal...what can I do to fix it?

Seems to hold oil fine unless over filled then it spins oil out the gap and drips from the oil pan and the conversion plate.

 

[landcrusiergod1]

Go to the local Junk yard and pick up 351w - same bolt pattern = wrecked Fleet trucks are found everywhere..

 

[haystax]

If you really want to junk the 302, go with the Ford 300 inline 6, arguably the best Ford motor you could swap. Look for one that's fuel injected, 100K miles is probably not even close to worn out and you should get better torque, better mileage and better longevity than any 302. I am a big fan of the 300, they are really tough motors. Or just start looking for 302 parts and such, unless you have a sweet untouched stock 40, a V8 of any make is probably a bonus no matter what shape it is in, a stock drivetrain won't make a gem out of a lump of coal. Some purists might look down on any other engine in a 40 but a 2F is a step backwards IMO, and parts availibility and aftermarket support really makes the 302 worth rebuilding.

 

[hammerhead]

You could find an injected 302 and drop it in. I just got a T-bird that runs great but the body is thrashed for a few hundred. This thing is a real tire fryer in the car so I think with some low gears it should be plenty capable in a Cruiser.

Maybe I'll use it in my Cruggy...

 

[cruiser ken]

Nice pic.

Were you able to drive out of that?

Yeah, turned into the hill on the left of the pic. The bump in the rock took out my passenger turn signal. Later I noticed some oil had leaked out of the breather on the valve cover.

 

[Tigerstripe40]

I don't know why people would ever swap in a chev diesel because they are probably the bigest pile of crap going. Sure there may be the odd story of people having luck with chev diesels, but that is like having a look at some mythical creature. I agree with haystax with swapping in the cummins. And I don't see what is so bad about the 302 they are a pretty good engine compared to most. Also you can find a lot more performance parts for a 302 than you could probably find for a 2F. Not saying that the 2F is bad or anything, but your already set for the Ford V8.

Chevy diesel is Cheap and plentiful.
the Cummins 4BT's are pretty tough to come by inexpensively. I haven't seen any frito-lays trucks in junk yards that didn't have 'BAD MOTOR' soaped onto the windshield.

My dad's got a GMC P30 step van with a 6.2 liter diesel in it. He was thinking about getting a banks sidewinder for it. He found a CHEAP 6.5 turbo with less than 100k on it, and all sevice records for $800. This will bolt right up to the TH400 that is in the step van currently.

The Chevy 6.2/6.5 liter diesels aren't bad motors. Their reputation is severely scarred by the 5.7 liter oldsmobile diesel that was based on an SBC, the 6.2/6.5 is a different animal alltogehter. It's the 5.7 diesel that is the piece of junk.

 

[Rice]

I don't know why people would ever swap in a chev diesel because they are probably the bigest pile of crap going. Sure there may be the odd story of people having luck with chev diesels, but that is like having a look at some mythical creature. I agree with haystax with swapping in the cummins. And I don't see what is so bad about the 302 they are a pretty good engine compared to most. Also you can find a lot more performance parts for a 302 than you could probably find for a 2F. Not saying that the 2F is bad or anything, but your already set for the Ford V8.

Like Tiger says, both the 6.2 and the 6.5 are very capable and reliable engines. Without a turbo the 6.2 was a lame duck but still dependable. 6.5 liters had early problems with injector pump failures but once ironed out also has gathered a good reputation. Between the two I've logged over 500,000 miles, most of it towing.