TEQ PTO Shift Lever Compatibility

[onehdft]

Hi all
I've done a comprehensive search but could not seem to find a specific answer to this particular question.
In the very late model 40s it seems there are two types of PTO lever with the TEQ Winch.

1. Up to 10/82 which is a simple lever with a cable to the shift lever on the drop box. This was mounted on the body on the side of the transmission tunnel.

2. From 10/82 the lever became more complex, and moved to a lockout style with a press button on the top and sides and a solid rod to connect to the shift lever on the drop box. This was mounted to the side of the transmission. This was also available in the 60 series although the lever is a little different but still works apparently.

Are these interchangable? I have the earlier setup as a complete PTO with winch, driveshafts, lever (#1 above).
This however is not correct for my 84 and would actually like to find the later push button lever (#2 above) to adapt it to the rest of my earlier setup.

Did the drop box change significantly at all - there are two different part numbers for the drop box listed - both pre 10/82 and post 10/82 but it's not clear what that difference is - it may be insignificant.

If anyone can help with the purchase and supply of a later lever #2 I'd be most grateful?

Thank you so much in advance!

Kind regards,
Mark

Early up to 10/82

Later Type post 10/82 to

Case change in part numbers

 

[Martyt]

@livinginthepast is the resident expert on PTO winches— he helped me a ton!

 

[Living in the Past]

When the shifter style changes 10/82 the PTO changed too. The shifter moved from the back to the front. The shifter 1/79-9/82 mounted to the side of the transmission hump. Cable allowed for the flex of drivetrain. Going late PTO to earlier shifter might be a problem. With a shorter cable. Going pre 10-82 PTO to later shifter would work if the rod is bent to clear the PTO when it passes over it. The unknown is if the shift lever back will clear an H55F. Toyota was standardized frames and front tubs..10/82 when the H55F was first introduced in the 40 the PTO changed. Because Toyota did not moved the hand brake to to the rear axle on long wheel base the H55F was not used in long wheel base 40 series. There is not enough clearance for the hand brake on the back of the transfer case to clear the torque tube on the frame. I have the pre 1/79 PTO shifters and one 10/82+ 40 series PTO shifter. Never had the 1/79-9/82 PTO shifter and never searched for one.
Was lucky to find a 10/62+ shifter here in the US since no PTOs were imported for the split transfer case. Same with the PTO shifter. On a RHD a 60 shifter pre 11/84 would probably work. The hand brake on the RHD is on the right side. LHD the hand brake would interfere of the shiftee.moved back like on the 60 series. 11/84 the PTO switched on most if not all markets to single direction. 70 series were all single direction single direction would probably be easier to find. Unfortunately cable in on two direction is thru an idler gear. Single direction PTO with a winch for two direction forward would work on reverse in the transmission. Ideally want cable in on forward gears in the transmission.

 

[onehdft]

When the shifter style changes 10/82 the PTO changed too. The shifter moved from the back to the front. The shifter 1/79-9/82 mounted to the side of the transmission hump. Cable allowed for the flex of drivetrain. Going late PTO to earlier shifter might be a problem. With a shorter cable. Going pre 10-82 PTO to later shifter would work if the rod is bent to clear the PTO when it passes over it. The unknown is if the shift lever back will clear an H55F. Toyota was standardized frames and front tubs..10/82 when the H55F was first introduced in the 40 the PTO changed. Because Toyota did not moved the hand brake to to the rear axle on long wheel base the H55F was not used in long wheel base 40 series. There is not enough clearance for the hand brake on the back of the transfer case to clear the torque tube on the frame. I have the pre 1/79 PTO shifters and one 10/82+ 40 series PTO shifter. Never had the 1/79-9/82 PTO shifter and never searched for one.
Was lucky to find a 10/62+ shifter here in the US since no PTOs were imported for the split transfer case. Same with the PTO shifter. On a RHD a 60 shifter pre 11/84 would probably work. The hand brake on the RHD is on the right side. LHD the hand brake would interfere of the shiftee.moved back like on the 60 series. 11/84 the PTO switched on most if not all markets to single direction. 70 series were all single direction single direction would probably be easier to find. Unfortunately cable in on two direction is thru an idler gear. Single direction PTO with a winch for two direction forward would work on reverse in the transmission. Ideally want cable in on forward gears in the transmission.

Wow - what a mine of info... thank you so much.
Just a confirmation and a couple more questions if you don't mind.

1. So I do need the 10/82+ drop box with the 10/82+ shifter for it to be correct for an 84?
2. How easy is finding both the 10/82+ lockout shifter and drop box. Are they obtainable? Or are they like hens teeth?
3. Is the rest of the PTO (shafts/winch etc) the same pre 10/82 as 10/82+ ?
4. Just confirming the shifter and drop box from 10/82 to 11/84 support winch drive in both directions?
5. The parts book indicates the lockout shifter ran until sometime in 86 (into the 70series) - given most markets went single direction in 11/84 are there versions of this shifter that only support single direction and if so how do you tell?

Thank you in advance,
Mark

 

[Living in the Past]

1. So I do need the 10/82+ drop box with the 10/82+ shifter for it to be correct for an 84?
2. How easy is finding both the 10/82+ lockout shifter and drop box. Are they obtainable? Or are they like hens teeth?
3. Is the rest of the PTO (shafts/winch etc) the same pre 10/82 as 10/82+ ?
4. Just confirming the shifter and drop box from 10/82 to 11/84 support winch drive in both directions?
5. The parts book indicates the lockout shifter ran until sometime in 86 (into the 70series) - given most markets went single direction in 11/84 are there versions of this shifter that only support single direction and if so how do you tell?

Thank you in advance,
Mark

1. Yes to be correct you need 10/82 PTO unit believe you are calling a drop box and 10/82+ shifter from a 40 series.

2. In the US these are hen's teeth. Australia probably close to hen's teeth. Mine came off a wrecked 84 HJ47RV that was imported from Queensland. 36610-60070 which is a complete PTO unit may be available. Definitely not cheap. Shifter only bits and pieces may be available.
For reference the difference with the shift lever on the front versus the back. Upper is 8/80-9/82. Bottom is 10/82+ two direction. Upper is from a one piece transfer case.

3. No the driveshaft 10/82. An extra pillow block bearing and I joint was added. Again bits and pieces may be available.
Picture for reference.

4. Yes up to 184 the PTO for split transfer case was two direction up to 11/84

5. The confusion is some markets continued to get the 40 series up to 4/86. Possible reason was contracts in place that went past 10/84. These mainly seen to be long wheel base units. Australia it ended 10/84 and 70 series started. On the shifter can see a gate that allows forward and back. Single direction is only back.

In Australia 10/82+ the BJ42 and FJ40 were five speeds. FJ45 and HJ47 would be a four speed. The bracket for the four speed would need a spacer for the front bolt on the top because the difference in the cast iron top plate on the four speed. Using a five speed bracket on a four would need a small in the front.

Amir @FJ40GURU would have a better idea where to source PTO parts in Australia.

 

[onehdft]

Thank you! Really appreciate the comprehensive reply! This really is now starting to make sense... I'm sure I will have more questions LOL

 

[onehdft]

What specific modifications are required to make a 60 series version of the lever work?
I (just) found out the mounting brackets are different, and I understand the lever is slightly shorter and angled differently - is there anything else?
Many thanks in advance!
Mark

 

[dirtyham]

What specific modifications are required to make a 60 series version of the lever work?
I (just) found out the mounting brackets are different, and I understand the lever is slightly shorter and angled differently - is there anything else?
Many thanks in advance!
Mark

very little in my experience, im running the lever setup of an import 24v 12HT 60 series that was an auto box which was very common on the JDM models, Iv got a H55F from a BJ42 in my 1982 BJ42. I used a new transfer shift lever rubber boot and the top leather looking book the seal up and cover the hole made for the shift lever. From memory the top part of the lever bracket bolted up fine the lower mount needed modifying.

 

[onehdft]

Thank you dirtyham! This is good news...
Having had a short time to compare in pics it looks exactly like you have said - the two bolt holes that correspond to the H55F top cover look to align and you could bolt or weld an extra wing on the vertical part of the bracket to pick up the bolt hole on the side?
Just confirming it all went through the factory hole for the PTO OK? Apparently the shifter for the 60 is shorter and the pivot point for the shifter is further back towards the rear of the gearbox than the 40 series one. I'm just trying to find out by how much...
You don't have a couple of pics of it mounted?
Thank you so much!
Mark

very little in my experience, im running the lever setup of an import 24v 12HT 60 series that was an auto box which was very common on the JDM models, Iv got a H55F from a BJ42 in my 1982 BJ42. I used a new transfer shift lever rubber boot and the top leather looking book the seal up and cover the hole made for the shift lever. From memory the top part of the lever bracket bolted up fine the lower mount needed modifying.

 

[dirtyham]

Thank you dirtyham! This is good news...
Having had a short time to compare in pics it looks exactly like you have said - the two bolt holes that correspond to the H55F top cover look to align and you could bolt or weld an extra wing on the vertical part of the bracket to pick up the bolt hole on the side?
Just confirming it all went through the factory hole for the PTO OK? Apparently the shifter for the 60 is shorter and the pivot point for the shifter is further back towards the rear of the gearbox than the 40 series one. I'm just trying to find out by how much...
You don't have a couple of pics of it mounted?
Thank you so much!
Mark

 

[dirtyham]

Thank you dirtyham! This is good news...
Having had a short time to compare in pics it looks exactly like you have said - the two bolt holes that correspond to the H55F top cover look to align and you could bolt or weld an extra wing on the vertical part of the bracket to pick up the bolt hole on the side?
Just confirming it all went through the factory hole for the PTO OK? Apparently the shifter for the 60 is shorter and the pivot point for the shifter is further back towards the rear of the gearbox than the 40 series one. I'm just trying to find out by how much...
You don't have a couple of pics of it mounted?
Thank you so much!
Mark

yeah could easily modify the vertical part to pick up a bolt that comes in from the rear of the gearbox I havnt bothered yet though

 

[dirtyham]

sticker to match

 

[charliemeyer007]

Depends on your winch - but keeping it in neutral/free spool is an extra safety if it has that feature. I used a strand of copper wire around the cable/drum to keep it wound tight and not let it unspool. I also fitted a greased canvas cover to help protect the well greased cable. Not a lot of fun when the whole spool of cable is a solid block of ice and you need the winch to get the rig to move.

There was someone here a few years that ruined the PTO or the winch because it was engage and they went to move the rig not knowing that. I don't recall if there was a shear pin involved correctly or not.

 

[Living in the Past]

What you have is a single direction PTO. The on off is single direction. The label for the two direction is like hen's teeth to find.

I looked and the 12HT started 10/85. The earliest auto was 11/84. Curious did the winch come with the PTO? Does cable in work on all forward gears? What is the shape of the bars coming from the back on the winch? The bracket for the shifter looks to allow the shifter to move forward. The first PTO I bought many years ago was from an automatic 60 series. The bracket for the shifter is completely different. It doesn't bolt to the manual transmission. What I found interesting is the late single direct PTO shares the same housing as the 10/82-10/84 two direction. Most of the internal parts for the one piece transfer case PTO are the same as the split case those direction PTO. Unfortunately the rod the move the shift fork is different and NLA. Over the years I ordered from vendors who said they have only to.message back they can't get it. The other piece is a spacer. But that is the same as the two direction just narrower. The could easily be cut down by a machine shop. The shifter rod would require a new rod made or the single direction machined to match the 10/82+ two direction PTO. I have a early one piece transfer case PTO that the housing melt in an area from being to close to the exhaust. I have a few one piece transfer cases so started to convert the single direction to the two direction. With the couple piece that are different it can be done. Sharing the housing on all 10/82+ PTOs for the split transfer case is what makes it possible.

 

[ScottBaugh]

Based on what dirtyham said, the 60 series bracket should bolt up pretty easy to the top with just some minor fab work for the lower mount.

 

[Living in the Past]

Based on what dirtyham said, the 60 series bracket should bolt up pretty easy to the top with just some minor fab work for the lower mount.

What has to match is the transmission not the series. There is slight difference between the manual four speed and five speed bracket. The automatic bracket for the A440F is completely different.
From left to right. 84 HJ47RV with an H41. Center is from a 60 series, unknown model with a H55F. Right is from a 60 series with an automatic transmission. Not sure the year but know it fit a A440F from a FJ62 I have as a spare. Earliest automatic I find in a 60 is 11/84. If that was a A440F I don't know.

Here are the three shifters I have. Left is from the 84 HJ47. Center is from a 11/84 of unknown series and model. It is single direction because it label is on off. Right is came with Automatic bracket which also has the one direct PTO.

 

[dirtyham]

What you have is a single direction PTO. The on off is single direction. The label for the two direction is like hen's teeth to find.

I looked and the 12HT started 10/85. The earliest auto was 11/84. Curious did the winch come with the PTO? Does cable in work on all forward gears? What is the shape of the bars coming from the back on the winch? The bracket for the shifter looks to allow the shifter to move forward. The first PTO I bought many years ago was from an automatic 60 series. The bracket for the shifter is completely different. It doesn't bolt to the manual transmission. What I found interesting is the late single direct PTO shares the same housing as the 10/82-10/84 two direction. Most of the internal parts for the one piece transfer case PTO are the same as the split case those direction PTO. Unfortunately the rod the move the shift fork is different and NLA. Over the years I ordered from vendors who said they have only to.message back they can't get it. The other piece is a spacer. But that is the same as the two direction just narrower. The could easily be cut down by a machine shop. The shifter rod would require a new rod made or the single direction machined to match the 10/82+ two direction PTO. I have a early one piece transfer case PTO that the housing melt in an area from being to close to the exhaust. I have a few one piece transfer cases so started to convert the single direction to the two direction. With the couple piece that are different it can be done. Sharing the housing on all 10/82+ PTOs for the split transfer case is what makes it possible.

The whole winch setup is from an 1988 HJ61RG VX running the A440F spools in using the 5 gears, go out is reverse or free spool. Iv mounted it to a H55F from 1983

 

[Living in the Past]

Thow whole winch setup is from an 1988 HJ61RG VX running the A440F spools in using the 5 gears, go out is reverse or free spool. Iv mounted it to a H55F from 1983

Is it a two direction or single direction PTO?

 

[FJ404345]

@onehdft

Will this one work?

 

[Living in the Past]

Only issue is there is no guide so handle is not locked into neutral .