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you mean your wheelin illegally ??? bad boy.
That's funny, burn!!!!! Wheeling illegally is bad, trust me I know;p LOL
On even the main Forest Roads (numbered, main thouroughfairs) ATV's and bikes need license and insurance jusrt like us. In OHV and other limited use areas they are exempt. Yes, most of the quad folks out there are breaking the law. 
I wonder if you could register it as an ATV? I had a 2005 Kawasaki KFX400 sport quad that I registered as street legal, and with my first months insurance, the handlebar mirror, $2.50 airhorn, lighted plate bracket, registration and plate fees I was at about $300.
While your rig is a bit bigger, these things qualify as ATVs....
While your rig is a bit bigger, these things qualify as ATVs....
I wonder if you could register it as an ATV? I had a 2005 Kawasaki KFX400 sport quad that I registered as street legal, and with my first months insurance, the handlebar mirror, $2.50 airhorn, lighted plate bracket, registration and plate fees I was at about $300.
While your rig is a bit bigger, these things qualify as ATVs....
Golden Spike
Most rock buggies have hydraulic steering, which I believe is not street legal. I'm sure there are other problems.
Run a buggy on Broken Arrow? I ran a stock '94 4Runner on that trail. You'd have more fun riding shotgun with someone, or run the tow rig like Kevin suggested. The trail is more of a scenic run than any kind of challenge.
-Spike
Run a buggy on Broken Arrow? I ran a stock '94 4Runner on that trail. You'd have more fun riding shotgun with someone, or run the tow rig like Kevin suggested. The trail is more of a scenic run than any kind of challenge.
-Spike
Dang, is that ever more true. They filled even more stuff in last year. There's no challenge left (even for a 100
).Driving a buggy on BA would be plain boring. (And might get the CNF folks to the trail to have it removed. They removed an unlicensed mini-bike in my presence and cited the dude).
Maybe easy trails like Crown King or Broken Arrow.....but the ones I'd normally run are on BLM land and are not subject to silly rules like the above.
If I can't legally run my buggy on BA, I'll re-register it under class 3 licensing and re-insure or change to an RV plate (yes, that's legal to answer one of you asking about registering as an ATV). **EDIT** or not run it at all.***
Sean
Not true. Not one single person has been able to find ANY state or federal statute that says full hydro is illegal. Nor are beadlocks, JFYI.
As for the fun factor.....unless you've been in mine, I'd discount your opinion based on lack of experience.
Sean
I went through there on Christmas Eve. Encountered 8 Jeep tour operators, 3 self guided rental jeeps (together), and 4 "independents" as I call them (people like myself, just going on their own with non rental vehicles) They were a heavily modified Ford Exploder (why??) a YJ Wrangler with a small lift, an old CJ5 and a TRD Taco. I was there between 11am and 1pm and there was not too much traffic.
Dave
Dave
Sean, Buy an old blown up Jeep or LC or pickup and register that VIN to this vehicle then cut up the old vehicle for scrap steel. I know of old Willy's jeeps that were rusted beyond recognition that were purchased specifically for that purpose. The great thing about it being registered as a pre '66 is no emissions check.
There may be some that argue about legality of this but I don't see any difference between that and an old Willys evolving into a rock buggy, as long as the donor vehicle is legally obtained and you use the firewall or fenders or shifter lever or something like that. How many fully licensed rock buggies have you seen on the trail that started out as a K5 blazer or something else that have been cut and chopped and modified to a buggy???
Dave
There may be some that argue about legality of this but I don't see any difference between that and an old Willys evolving into a rock buggy, as long as the donor vehicle is legally obtained and you use the firewall or fenders or shifter lever or something like that. How many fully licensed rock buggies have you seen on the trail that started out as a K5 blazer or something else that have been cut and chopped and modified to a buggy???
Dave
Like I said earlier, I'd probably just register it as a new build off the existing 91 Toyota truck. You have to get a decommission/deconstruction title for the Toy ($4) and then you have to go through a level 3 safety inspection (things like windshield, turn signals, horn, 1 manual windshield wiper, rear view mirror, and mud flaps)....but after that, the emissions will be for a 91 Toy (kept all that stuff on the engine) and the 22re is pretty reliable in terms of passing.
The much simpler thing is to register as an RV. They take my current tag and issue me a little one that looks like a motorcycle tag. Then I just insure it with a company that does quads and the like.
Or....the other option is not even bother. While I'd like to do the trail for the scenery, there's no real challenge to it, so I suppose I could skip it.
Sean
The much simpler thing is to register as an RV. They take my current tag and issue me a little one that looks like a motorcycle tag. Then I just insure it with a company that does quads and the like.
Or....the other option is not even bother. While I'd like to do the trail for the scenery, there's no real challenge to it, so I suppose I could skip it.
Sean
As for the fun factor.....unless you've been in mine, I'd discount your opinion based on lack of experience.
Sean
WELL YOU ARROGANT SO AND SO, are you suggesting that when these guys "drive the obstacles" they really are driving "the obstacles"?
WELL YOU ARROGANT SO AND SO, are you suggesting that when these guys "drive the obstacles" they really are driving "the obstacles"?
WTF?????
WELL YOU ARROGANT SO AND SO, are you suggesting that when these guys "drive the obstacles" they really are driving "the obstacles"?
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Considering I got no lockers and no front flex
flipoff2: SAW REDs ), mine should be considered so. And as punishment, should be forced to let S.K. crawl one front wheel up my tire and onto my hood.... if he can flex it 
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It's a joke. You'd have to know Mr. DuMass to get it.
Sean
Well, that doesn't really do us any good here on the forum? He maybe the god of wheeling, but he comes here, doesn't take the time to introduce himself, then comes off as rude, arrogant and insulting, I can see why people aren't standing in line to meet him.
Well considering he was being "rude, arrogant and insulting" to me in this thread, maybe you should take less interest in a situation that frankly is none of your business. I know he's joking. You don't. Let it go at that.
I realize you've taken a dislike to Jim. Feel free to jump his ass about whatever you have a problem with when he says something to someone else and you feel you need to step in and protect that person.....but kindly refrain from doing so in my and Jim's correspondence. As I said, I "get" it. You don't.
This seems like an attempt to make a problem where none exists.
Respectfully,
Sean
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I don't have a like or dislike for Jim, don't know him.
You do and having friendly banter with him is fine, but when it's in a public forum, others may not know him or understand his "humor" and be offended. When it's on this forum and my mod alerts, PM box fills and the phone starts ringing with member complaints it becomes my problem.
