Rear shoulder belts.

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Build date Aug 86, hole but no threads.
 
OlympiaFJ60 said:
Mine didn't, built Jan '87 I think. The whole was there, just no threaded insert or the like.

Brandon
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My sister 60 (built in Jan '87 as well!) had the hole but didn't have the threaded plate. SOR convinced me it was there, I ordered the belts, tried to install them, called SOR back, at which point they did a little more research and found out that not all 60s have the threads.

As for safety, I think you fell into the typical "husband's trap": you invented an excuse to do something you wanted to do, and in order to convince the wifey, you rehearsed the "bent truth" so much that it became true. (I've done similar things when I've wanted to go fishing. . . .) I don't think the fixed, three-point belts are unsafe or on recall--there was a seatbelt recall for the retractor part of the rear belts on 60s, and the lap belt alone shouldn't be used for a booster seat, but the fixed three-pointer is okay for boosters seats. Uh, I think.
 
89GASHOG said:
With lap belts, you're supposed to use a car seat with a shield, and it doesn't sound like that's what you're describing here. Maybe so. Anyway, the belt goes over the top of the shield, preventing ejection of the nipper in the event of an accident.
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To tell you the truth, I have no idea what a shield is for a car seat. My car seats all have slots in them so that one can run the belt through the seats in order to lock them down. My experience is that the auto locking lap belts cinch down so tight that I cannot even begin to budge the seats, so I really don't know how the "nipper" could get ejected. I would venture to say that the lap belts lock down tighter than any shoulder belt that is clipped, but I don't have any scientific proof of this--just my own attempts to move the seats after they have been properly cinched by putting all my weight on them and torquing down on the belts with all my might. One way that my wife and I have avoided booster seats so far is to get car seats that handle kids up to 50 lbs. So far, so good, but this doesn't mean that I won't be installing the shoulder belts one day in the not-too-distant future! ;)


PS. Gashog, you have PM!
 
I'm a little confused now

Sorry to dredge up this old thread.

I am looking at LC's and had convinced myself that I could only consider the 80 series because of the rear seat belt issue. Part of the trucks new job is so I can do my fair share of kid (4 & 2) transporting, which I can't do in the pickup. This is why the boss at home has given her blessing on this purchase. If I can look for a 60/62 also that would be great.

Please let me know if I have this correct.

1. Sometime in 89 the FJ62 came equiped with rear shoulder belts (Retractable and/or non-retractable?).

2. All FJ62 models come with the threaded hole in the C-pillar allowing for the 'easy' addition of rear shoulder belts. (Retractable and/or non-retractable?)

3. All FJ60's come with a hole in the C-pillar that is not threaded. You can add seat belts, but you will need to do some sort of modification.

For you guys with kids and non-retractable shoulder belts, do you just use the PITA C clip for both booster seats and toddler?

Thanks alot. If I can consider a 60/62 it will open up alot more possiblities.

Ross
 
GeoRoss said:
Sorry to dredge up this old thread.

Please let me know if I have this correct.

1. Sometime in 89 the FJ62 came equiped with rear shoulder belts (Retractable and/or non-retractable?).

2. All FJ62 models come with the threaded hole in the C-pillar allowing for the 'easy' addition of rear shoulder belts. (Retractable and/or non-retractable?)

3. All FJ60's come with a hole in the C-pillar that is not threaded. You can add seat belts, but you will need to do some sort of modification.
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Your FJ62 statements are probably correct. I've seen two 1988 models and neither had rear shoulder belts.

With FJ60's the pattern is not clear. I have a 9/85 FJ60 that has threaded holes in the C-pillar. I've added 3-point retractable belts to that one because it's the primary family vehicle. I also have a 3/86 FJ60 that has the hole but it's not threaded. I went the "snake a JB welded nut and washer up the pillar route" with this one, and I used the non-retractable belts to save a few $$.

The only way to tell if an FJ60 has the threaded hole in the C-pillar is to poke a hole through the liner and feel around.

For a real exercise in frustration make sure you get a 60 without the threaded hole and work a sticky, gooey nut up behind the pillar without covering it in dirt and other contaminants. Then for even more fun do it a second time. You're allowed to use some of these words :censor: :censor: , but only if your kids are out of hearing range.
 
According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, you are to "Never use a lap belt only" with a belt-positioning booster. Those are the no-back boosters for 4-8 years or so. The high-back booster/harness that can be used with younger ones apparently can be used with just a lap belt, but that appears to be because they have a harness themselves. So basically, you need a shoulder belt if they're using the vehicle belts for restraint.

There is no mention that I can find on Google or on the DoT site about retractable vs. nonretractable belts. The most telling page would probably be the retrofit page, where they talk about retrofitting shoulder belts into older vehicles. If there were a mention of retractability, that'd be the place to find it.
 
Carpe Discus said:
According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, you are to "Never use a lap belt only" with a belt-positioning booster. Those are the no-back boosters for 4-8 years or so. The high-back booster/harness that can be used with younger ones apparently can be used with just a lap belt, but that appears to be because they have a harness themselves. So basically, you need a shoulder belt if they're using the vehicle belts for restraint.
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Thank you for the info, but I am aware that you should not use a lapbelt with a booster. That is why I am looking for clarification on adding shoulder belts to an FJ60/62 that came equipped with lapbelts. From what I have learned is that you can install retractable or non-retractable shoulder belts. I was just a bit fuzzy on the different circumstances.

Ross
 
On a 60 (and maybe the first 62's), if you add the retractable shoulder belt, you need to do alot more work, creating the mounting space for the retractor unit. For the fixed belts you just need to bolt the top of the shoulder belt to the C pillar becouse the retractor is still in the lap belt.

On the booster seats, mine states to not use with fixed shoulder belts.

HTH

Brandon
 
OlympiaFJ60 said:
On a 60 (and maybe the first 62's), if you add the retractable shoulder belt, you need to do alot more work, creating the mounting space for the retractor unit. For the fixed belts you just need to bolt the top of the shoulder belt to the C pillar becouse the retractor is still in the lap belt.

On the booster seats, mine states to not use with fixed shoulder belts.

HTH

Brandon
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Thanks, I pulled my booster seat info and it also doesn't recommend non-retractable shoulder belts.

Ross
 
GeoRoss: no problem. I just got curious, looked it up, and posted the info in case someone looks for it later. I wasn't aware of the fixed shoulder belt issue, and obviously wouldn't have known about otherwise since it wasn't on the site I checked. Thanks much; this is going to be an issue for us shortly.

I'm kinda glad (my wife and) I didn't know about this before buying the 60. ;)
 
FJ80 belts in FJ60?

Called the local junkyard and was told they had a set of rear shoulder belts out of an FJ62. Had my wife go get em for me.

After further inspection I seem to have 1990 FJ80 rear seat belts.

Anyone have any insight as to the usability or non-usability of these belts?

The retracter bolts to the truck with a single bolt rather than the 2 on the FJ62.

Thanks!
 
landtoy80 said:
Any pic of the 3 point kit from Toyota, the non retractable one that is?

How does it work?
Does it adjust like the middle seat belt?
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I bought mine from SOR, they're OEM Toyota. $120/pair.

The lap portion replaces the original and retracts the same way. It has a slightly larger tongue with a keyhole in it. The end of the shoulder belt has a little metal plate with a pin coming out perpendicular. The pin slides into the keyhole. The shoulder belt adjusts like the middle seat belt.

It all works fine, except that the shoulder belt has to be disconnected in order to lay down the seat. My 83 has a threaded hole in the c-pillar (whoopee) so the whole thing took less than one hour. I'll post some pictures.
 
azaussie said:
I know this is an old thread but can anyone confirm that all 62's have the threaded hole in the c-pilar.
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I can't confirm it, but you could check it pretty easily--use a pin to find the hole and poke around a bit, if the threaded nut plate is there behind the sheet metal, you should be able to detect it with the pin (without damaging the headliner!)

Good luck.
 
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