Real Time Help Needed....

[Overlander 80]

When I first got my ARB up front I disconnected one of the power feeds to the airbag system behind the glove box. Now that I have read a few threads on this topic I decided to re-engage the airbags. A few minutes ago I removed the ground wire from the battery and re-soldered to the wire I had cut to stop the airbags from going off.

When I restarted the car the engine ran rough, then stalled and the starter kicked on and would not shut off; even after I pulled the keys from the ignition. I had to remove the groung wire from the battery to get the starter to stop. Gave it some thought and tried to re-start; thinking if I drove it a little the engine might smooth out and the starter would behave again. No such luck. Same thing happened; rough running engine, then totally stalling to be followed by unprompted running of the starter until I removed the ground again. Anyone have any ideas????

 

[PHAEDRUS]

You have either tripped and back grounded the starter relay line or you have a bad set of starter contacts,
I would guess you have two seperate issues. Drop the starter and check out the contacts. Then go through the what you cut and resodered back together and make sure you reconnected correctly.
Dave

 

[Overlander 80]

Thanks Phaedrus

I know I didn't goof on the reconnection because it's plain as day. Only one wire cut, one wire soldered.

I'm going to take a look at the contacts and relay line now.

 

[Overlander 80]

Please keep ideas coming...

I'll be checking the starter here for the next few minutes, but please keep the ideas coming. Thanks Tom

 

[PHAEDRUS]

Remember that after a battery disconnect for any length of time the ecm has to relearn its process, once you get the starter under controllet it run for 5 minutes, kill and restart and you should be running smoother.
Dave

 

[Overlander 80]

Starter Relay Location?

I've been searching the left side of the engine bay and cannot find my starter relay. It's a 97, not sure that matters, but tell me what you know about any 80 and that'll narrow it down. Thanks...-
Tom

 

[cruiserdan]

did you really CUT airbag wires?

 

[Overlander 80]

one of them

yes

 

[Overlander 80]

Dan, any ideas....

Can you help me on this, please. Thanks. Tom

 

[cruiserdan]

Cut SRS wiring demands a special repair procedure. Consult you FSM for that information.

I think that the starter problem is not related. How many miles on the vehicle and is the starter original?

 

[Overlander 80]

It has 134K and yes, I believe the starter is original, but I'm looking now to confirm that.

 

[cruiserdan]

If so, it is likely that the contacts have decided that they do not want to play any more. It is probably a coincidence. Replace the contacts and plunger or get a remanufactured starter. Then move on to the SRS wiring repair. READ THE WHOLE SRS SECTION BEFORE STARTING THE REPAIR.

 

[Overlander 80]

Yes it has the original starter.

Where is the starter relay? Seems like it should be in the large labeled box that has a couple of fuses and other relays, but I don't see one thats labeled ignition or starter.

 

[Overlander 80]

Dan...

So the contacts are stuck on or constantly connected to the plunger? Because the thing starts...... it just won't stop starting. Just want to make sure we are talking about the same issue.



I'll PM you about getting a FSM (long overdue; I know).

 

[cruiserdan]

Where is the starter relay?

There isn't one.

 

[cruiserdan]

I'll PM you about getting a FSM (long overdue; I know).

Manuals are obtained directly from the Toyota Material Distribution Center in Torrance CA at 1-800-622-2033.

 

[IdahoDoug]

Jeez - X2 on disbelief you cut an airbag wire. Just FYI, that circuit is by far the most sensitive (everything must be perfect to operate it correctly) one on the truck. Fortunately, Toyota built in self diagnostics so it checks itself each time you start the truck. Was the SRS light on since you cut the wire? Did it go off now? Correct observation would be seeing it light upon startup, then quickly go off (this is in the FSM).

I agree also the starter is unrelated. You messing with the battery connections probably got a better connection and this gave more juice to the failing contacts, which then failed. Order the plunger and contacts, using the actual serial number off your starter (assuming its Toyota unit).

DougM

 

[k-kfarmer]

You need to see why the starter is coming back on is the solenoid getting power to it when it re engages disconnect the sol. wire and manualy jump start it then there would be now way that the starter could re energize just a thought Karl

 

[cruiserdan]

Dan...

So the contacts are stuck on or constantly connected to the plunger? Because the thing starts...... it just won't stop starting. Just want to make sure we are talking about the same issue.

When the contacts wear down to a specific point it is possible for the plunger to "weld" it's self to the contacts and not release. As the contacts wear they form a "shoulder" that the plunger will pull down into and eventually the plunger will hang-up on the shoulder.

 

[Overlander 80]

Thanks Dan; I'm getting parts in the AM.