Real Time Help - can't fit snap ring after bearing repack

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Was just wrapping up my first wheel bearing repack (on the front passenger side wheel), and I can't get the snap ring back in. Yes - I did pull the axle back and forth to confirm I had it as far out as possible and it sure seems to be as far out as possible. I set the inner oil seal flush with the hub.

It's less than a millimeter - could be 2/10 of a mm for all I know, but it won't seat fully in the groove.

So any ideas? Did I do something wrong or do I need to get a thinner snap ring?

Any help or ideas is greatly appreciated!
 
Measured my snap ring - looks like it's a 2mm (not precise enough to measure fractions).
Looks like the next size down is 1.8mm snap ring, but the real issue I have is why would I need a different size after a wheel bearing repack...? Even if I could get a 1.8mm snap ring, is that the right thing or do I tear it back down apart and redo to see what's what.
 
Im in the middle of my first time doing this and I cant even get the dang cone washers off, wish I could help.
 
SKShepherd - I found that tapping the stud with solid hard hits knocked the cones loose - usually took 2-3 solid hits. Put the nuts on to protect the threads.

As far as my problem - while the ring didn't fit in on its own, it must have been so close that a few gentle love taps allowed them to seat 'perfectly'. Still would like to know if there's something to be concerned about. At least I'm done with that side - test drive time.
 
Agaisin,
The wheel bearing nuts or the bearings have nothing to do with the snap ring fit. Try threading a bolt in the end of the axle and pry the axle out with a pry bar with wood against the wheel studs. Just put tension on it and it should come back out.
Good luck!
cp
 
One more thing,
Tighen the drive flange cone nuts down at least tight enough to squeeze any grease out between the flange and the gasket and compress the gasket before you try to put the clip on. Any gap in the flange and hub will inhibit the clip from fitting in the groove.
 
One more thing,
Tighen the drive flange cone nuts down at least tight enough to squeeze any grease out between the flange and the gasket and compress the gasket before you try to put the clip on. Any gap in the flange and hub will inhibit the clip from fitting in the groove.

Yep - good thought. I considered that and intentionally overtightened the flange nuts to ensure that it was as close to the hub as possible. I'm confident the flange is as tight to the hub as it can be.
 
If all the grease is compressed...and you did everything right it has to fit...if they come off then they have to go on. You said you already pulled the axle in and out to make sure it was seated all the way? Right...
 
Brock - yes, I did pull the axle in and out to make sure it was seated all the way and it didn't seem to change it.

As I mentioned in an earlier post I was able to get it back in, just not as easily as I expected to. In the end I tapped the snap ring into the groove - no major blows just taps. Just gave me pause cause it took more coersion than I remembered last time I had to get the snap ring on (when I repacked the cv joints).

I think test drive was ok - after ~15 minutes of driving hub temp was ok to touch and not any warmer than other side, so I plan to do the drivers side tomorrow morning. Hopefully will go faster and smoother this time.

Funny - I never thought the snap ring would have been my issue.
Initially I thought the cone washers would be a pita but they were pretty easy using brass bar as described in the FSM - a few blows and pop.
I thought maybe packing the bearings would be a pita but I used a bearing packer and was pleased at how effective/quick/easy/clean that was.
Even adjusting the preload - the most nerve racking part of that is whose instructions to use for the preload - whether to follow the FSM (in. lbs) or to go with other recommendations of slightly more preload (10-20 ft lbs) or some people even as high as 40+ft lbs on the adjusting nut, and then how reliable is the fish scale method. It wasn't difficult, just a mind game of is it too tight or too loose...

Well, I look forward to doing the other side tomorrow.
 
Just finished the Driver side and I think my mystery is solved - will redo the right side and confirm.
I couldn't remember seeing or removing the flange gasket on the passenger side. On the Driver side I specifically looked for it and realize that I never removed the old gasket on the passenger side (it looked to me like part of the hub - same color and so thin I didn't realize it was there. So I'm pretty damned sure that's what did it - added enough thickness to the flange that I couldn't easily get the snap ring on. I will try to get back to the passenger today or tomorrow to redo and confirm.

I know - rookie mistake.
 
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Just finished the Driver side and I think my mystery is solved - will redo the right side and confirm.
I couldn't remember seeing or removing the flange gasket on the passenger side. On the Driver side I specifically looked for it and realize that I never removed the old gasket on the passenger side (it looked to me like part of the hub - same color and so thin I didn't realize it was there. So I'm pretty damned sure that's what did it - added enough thickness to the flange that I couldn't easily get the snap ring on. I will try to get back to the passenger today or tomorrow to redo and confirm.

I know - rookie mistake.

Confirmed - after removing the original gasket and redoing, no issues getting the snap ring back in.
 
Agaisin

I need to do this also. How long did it take you for the first wheel and how long the second?

Thanks for the FRB. Have not even opened them yet.

I think it took me around 4.5 hours the first one, and about ~2 hours the second one. The first wheel I struggled with torquing the adjusting nut properly etc, as well as with the snap ring issue.
 
I used the fish scale method also, like the factory service manual says (I used a digital bow scale). I was inching up on it with a torque wrench and the torque on the adjusting nut ended up being a wopping 42 ft/lbs or torque to get the scale up to the specified range of 9.5 -15 lbs. And I was just getting into the low end of the range at that. Kind of scary but I guess that's what it takes. I was thinking, WOW, this must be really good grease! On all my other vehicles I always just tighened the nut until no more play was felt while wiggling the tire.
 
I used the fish scale method also, like the factory service manual says (I used a digital bow scale). I was inching up on it with a torque wrench and the torque on the adjusting nut ended up being a wopping 42 ft/lbs or torque to get the scale up to the specified range of 9.5 -15 lbs. And I was just getting into the low end of the range at that. Kind of scary but I guess that's what it takes. I was thinking, WOW, this must be really good grease! On all my other vehicles I always just tighened the nut until no more play was felt while wiggling the tire.

Hmmm... seems like there's a common issue with the preload as described in the FSM. Here's one of those threads:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/420496-wheel-bearing-fsm-torque-light-just-right.html

This probably should be in a different thread, but since you started on the topic I'll dump my thoughts since it's on my mind. This is a summary of all the issues surrounding adjusting nut that I came across, apologize if it's overload.

To summarize:
FSM states that after getting the bearing to settle (tighten adj nut to 43 ft/lb then turn hub etc...) you loosen and then retighten to JUST 38-57 IN/lbf - that's in/lbf not ft/lb. That's ~3-5 ft/lb. Then with the tension gauge/fish scale you should get 9.5-15 lbs on preload (starting).

The problem is that many (most?) people can't get that 9.5-15 lbs preload without torquing the adjusting nut to upwards of 35 ft/lbs which horrifies many folks.

So you have some that go by the book with just 4-6 ft/lbs on the adjusting nut and are able to get the proper preload with that.
Some go with 18-21 ft/lbs (with and without fish scale method).
Some go with 35-40 ft/lbs (with and without fish scale method).
Some don't use the fish scale method at all.
Some just do it by feel.
Some use a method whereby they tighten the adjusting nut until the claw washer doesn't move (or just barely moves with force).

Also - people distinguish b/w the torque when parts are 'wet' vs 'dry' with grease. (At first I had a hard time understanding what they mean by dry given the amount of grease all over the place - believe this just means they wipe off all grease from nuts/claw washer, spindle threads, lock washer etc).

This issue is discussed a lot in the 80s forum.

I have lots of questions but hard to find definitive answers:
- for example how reliable is the fish scale method - does it vary with the type of grease being used and the temperature
- also, is it possible that torque needed for new bearings/races vs. repacking old (but presumably not damaged) bearings/races is different?
- is it possible that people who can't get the proper preload with 3-5 ft/lbs of torque have worn spindle or worn bearings/races?

Some point out that the adjusting nuts tend to loosen - obviously if the lock washer tabs weren't forced down on the adj. nut AND the lock nut it could loosen. However I suspect this could also be due to the lock washers not being fully down on both nuts - in other words one can easly just bend it down halfway without it fully being seated on the nut. I was to knock the tabs ALL the way down to contact the nut to keep them in place tight (I noticed how carefully it was done on mine when removing the lock washer). I'm guessing that's standard procedure, but guys just learning and doing this for the first time may not know and the FSM doesn't say it prolly 'cause it's a given to those with experience.

Some folks have noticed that their claw washers have wear - presumably from adjusting nut not being tight enough, or also possible from the spindle being worn which prevents ever having proper preload. I personally had a little wear on both claw washers so this time I turned them over (next time will replace them). Hoping not to see it next time around - I'm at 90k and have no idea if my bearings were ever repacked prior to my ownership (bought at 70k).

I did my PS and tried following the fish scale method but that led me to ~37 ft/lbs before I got to ~10 lbs of preload. During my test drives, I believe I could feel some drag on that wheel while driving and was a tad nervous about it although temps on the hub and flange were fine even a little lower than the left side after driving. So after further reading and pondering, I decided to tone it down a bit to 21 ft lbs (and to test out the approach of tight enough that the claw washer barely moves with force). So on the DS I just went with 21 ft lbs (claw wouldn't move at all so it was a little tighter than that approach would have dictated). B/c of the issue in this post I redid the passenger side and this time was very careful to knock down the tabs on the lock washer all the way and I did 21 ft lbs etc. Initial thoughts are that it's right - but really only time (and inspection) will tell, right...
 
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