Rake Dilema

[1shetan]

We have just finished installing an Mt64 2" lift on our 2017, it was work, but great satisfaction doing our own. The kit came with the struts assembled, 4010 front springs and 2721 rears. The LC has no accessories nor the 3rd row seats.

Net lift was 1" in the front and 1 3/4 " rear. Why? We were informed when the kit was purchased that the clip would be on the second groove from the bottom on the struts.

The rake is more extreme (would prefer rake as the factory set up), the front did not receive the lift we expected. Ride is sporty but planted. Would it be assumed that trying to move the clip up one groove provide a bit more lift?how much? will that make the ride stiffer?

What is the best approach to adjust the front a bit higher, (hate to take it all apart again, but will have to)

 

[sdnative]

If you like the ride, swapping to 2720 springs will lower the rear by ~1/2". The springs are designed to give a certain amount of lift with a certain amount of load. Perhaps it was expected by whoever spec'ed the kit that you would be carrying more weight? The 2720 and 2721 are progressive springs so that complicates things a little.

Some rake is a good thing, so I wouldn't worry about eliminating it completely.

 

[1shetan]

Thank you for the info, great option. I was pretty specific that no accessories were being added. I would like to see if i can raise the front yet keep a little rake.

 

[GrouchyTech]

My MT64 fronts are set the third circlip up from the lowest, and with the OME 2720 rear springs it has a very slight rake. Yours with 2721 rear springs and the front circlip at the second position up from the lowest I can imagine yours is very raked.

 

[Heckraiser]

Sucks to pay for assembled struts only to have to pull them apart. I hate spring compressors, lol. Swapping rear springs to lower the rear would be less work. OME suspension has seemed to have a heavy bias towards lots of rake ever since the fj60.

 

[1shetan]

Definitely did not get the advertised 2” lift. Yup spring compressors and taking the struts out i dread, it was a tedious swap. I considered trying to put spring compressors while the lc is parked then lifting it to see if the clip is visible to move,,,,risky.

 

[GrouchyTech]

Definitely did not get the advertised 2” lift. Yup spring compressors and taking the struts out i dread, it was a tedious swap. I considered trying to put spring compressors while the lc is parked then lifting it to see if the clip is visible to move,,,,risky.

I think the advertised lift is 0” to 2”.

Here is my MT64 suspension set to the 3rd circlip from the lowest plus the 2720 rear springs. The lift isn’t very obvious, I think it was around 1.25” both ends, which is what I was going for.

 

[1shetan]

I like it, looks like I will have to move that up a groove.

 

[GrouchyTech]

I like it, looks like I will have to move that up a groove.

If you’re keeping the 2721 rear springs, you might want to go up two grooves.
Side note: I would also add a track bar relocation bracket. I use the “short” style from Dr. KDSS.

The suspension will settle a little bit, so I’d drive it a while longer first before making a decision. Let’s see a photo of it as it sits now on level ground.

 

[iwashmycar]

Can you do the "no spring compressor" method on a LC? I had used it with great success on my FJC. Yeah it needs another alignment after, but once the compression is off the spring you can breathe again lol.

(this is where you loosen LCA bolts, and take off strut top nut and just drop it on out of the spring essentially)

 

[1shetan]

Yes, ordered relocation kit since the measured difference in tract bar mounting points were 3.5” , i do intend to drive it before making any mods. Place 100 lbs of weight in the back yesterday to see what that would do.

 

[1shetan]

Will need to read up on the no compressor method, might be interesting

 

[1shetan]

With 100lbs in the trunk, 2721 rear springs, no 3rd row seats

 

[iwashmycar]

I do think the front needs to come up

 

[1shetan]

If you’re keeping the 2721 rear springs, you might want to go up two grooves.
Side note: I would also add a track bar relocation bracket. I use the “short” style from Dr. KDSS.

The suspension will settle a little bit, so I’d drive it a while longer first before making a decision. Let’s see a photo of it as it sits now on level ground.

Contact from the vendor agrees with GrouchyT, go up two grooves ( and to expect 0.5" up per groove), since the fender measurement between front and rear is 2.25". I think that will be ok even with some spring settling, and will keep a rake.

Dr Kdss traction bar correction kit installed, not hard at all, measurement between left and right connection points went from 3.5 in to 0.5".

We do not have a spring compressor, so what started as a DIY , buy the kit install it and forget it, is now at a shop in order to move the circlip up two notches, and align for the second time in 10 days.

 

[Simplespirit]

I haven't looked at the install guide for these, but I put the Bilstein 6112s on my previous Tacoma without a compressor. You put the vehicle on jack stands, then use the floor jack under the LCA to compress everything for assembly/disassembly in place. I had to do it at least twice to get the height where I wanted it. I had paid for assembly with those as well but they put it on the wrong clip.

 

[1shetan]

Went up two notches at the dealer, but height changed around half an inch, i am at a loss.