New V8 Cruisers?

[Wayne BJ73]

Hi there all

Well I have found a picture and some documnetations of the new V8 Cruisers for Australia.


The paperwork had been sent to my by a friend which showed up of the Outerlimits 4x4 site - just posting for all to see?


Whats your views? - I am sorry you canot read it totally but when I resized it to make it fit.

Check out this link - better picture you can read

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=82565


Wayne

 

[roscoFJ73]

Good find Wayne,I will hit the news stand tomorrow to get that edition of 4x4 Australia.
To be honest I will remain a little sceptical on the V8 J7 ,I think it will happen but further on than 2007.
Its intersting to see Kinetic Suspension are in on the act.They seem to go quiet after winning those big military defence contracts a while back to develop self levelling suspension for 4wd gun platforms.
They have some good ideas http://www.kinetic.au.com/techno.html

Its also interesting that the article says Toyota has concerns about the durabilty of the IRS and dont want to use it on the 130.
Maybe a day for common sense

 

[Tapage]

I thought is simple the best notice for USA Cruiser lovers .. ABS and Air bags soon .. and Diesel engine with EURO emision !

 

[Wayne BJ73]

Hi there

I am a little concerned - Australia has experienced huge fuel increases over the past 6-8 months, eveyone is very hessidant within the 4x4 market - I have seen rapid drop in second hand prices, as people are scared of high running costs.

Question: Why would toyota bring out a V8 - it may have good fuel economy but the word V8 scares people - only time will tell.

With a few discrete chats with our toyota dealer on site (mine site) he has been lead to believe its fuel consumption is 9lt - 100km - very impressive for a large vehicle with a big engine (if true).

Will they drop the 6 cylinder range? - I hope not.

All the best


Wayne

 

[Tapage]

Will they drop the 6 cylinder range? - I hope not.

I thought ( and as same as you I hope ) they plan to keep the 6L for those who can't pay the V8 value ..

 

[roscoFJ73]

I thought ( and as same as you I hope ) they plan to keep the 6L for those who can't pay the V8 value ..

I think they would keep the 6 cyl range in the basic model for the mines and the farmers.
This V8 wont be cheap

 

[tlcruiserman]

I can see them going to the V8 diesel larger will consum less fuel than the older i6 which was underpowered for many tasks it was needed for. Makes sense to me. My hope is once they prove it on OZ they will finally bring a diesel back to the starts, maybe for the new full size pickup, there has been romors that they plan to introduce a hybrid that is diesel and electric for the 09 model.

Cheers,

Michael

 

[calamaridog]

Lucky bastards

 

[roscoFJ73]

This is the article in full for those that havent read it

 

[roscoFJ73]

I can see them going to the V8 diesel larger will consum less fuel than the older i6 which was underpowered for many tasks it was needed for. Makes sense to me. My hope is once they prove it on OZ they will finally bring a diesel back to the starts, maybe for the new full size pickup, there has been romors that they plan to introduce a hybrid that is diesel and electric for the 09 model.

Cheers,

Michael

I find it hard to imagine a situation where the 1HZ is underpowered,except maybe towing a load heavier than the cruiser.

A diesel electric is most likely the old fashioned set up of a diesel engine powering a generator and 4 electric motors,one on each wheel.
The electric motors produce a smoooth rate of torque and do away with heavy gearboxes and diffs.
Whats new about this is they can now make generators and electric motors light enough which could only be done previosly for locomotives or dump trucks.

 

[tlcruiserman]

I find it hard to imagine a situation where the 1HZ is underpowered,except maybe towing a load heavier than the cruiser.

A diesel electric is most likely the old fashioned set up of a diesel engine powering a generator and 4 electric motors,one on each wheel.
The electric motors produce a smoooth rate of torque and do away with heavy gearboxes and diffs.
Whats new about this is they can now make generators and electric motors light enough which could only be done previosly for locomotives or dump trucks.

Underpowered from a towing capacity, so currently the most towing capacity of any Land Cruiser (that I know of) is the 7000lbs and that is with a 100 series and gasser engine. Is there one with higher capacity??? The one area that Toyota is trying to break into (in the US Market) is going after the Ford, Crysler, and Chevy Pickup market (I realize that from OZ perspective American Pickup's have not shown very good promise). Toyota has finally come out with a full size pickup to compete the next thing they will need is to be able to haul as much as the american pickups. Nisson has already started and can haul I think 10k with there 5.8l Gas engine. With diesel engines the american pickup can go higher than 10k towing. Just my thoughts on the whole thing.

I think the 7x series pickup is rated at 5k lbs correct?


Cheers,

Michael

 

[roscoFJ73]

Underpowered from a towing capacity, so currently the most towing capacity of any Land Cruiser (that I know of) is the 7000lbs and that is with a 100 series and gasser engine. Is there one with higher capacity??? The one area that Toyota is trying to break into (in the US Market) is going after the Ford, Crysler, and Chevy Pickup market (I realize that from OZ perspective American Pickup's have not shown very good promise). Toyota has finally come out with a full size pickup to compete the next thing they will need is to be able to haul as much as the american pickups. Nisson has already started and can haul I think 10k with there 5.8l Gas engine. With diesel engines the american pickup can go higher than 10k towing. Just my thoughts on the whole thing.

I think the 7x series pickup is rated at 5k lbs correct?


Cheers,

Michael

Well I believe the towing capacities are too much and I personally would never tow a load heavier than the vehicle.
I think there is more to it than the engine HP.
The american made pick ups will always be able to tow more because they have the weight
There is also the safety factor .Other non govt motoring organisations recommend a max of 80% of the tow vehicles weight.
Have a look at this ,imagine if there had of been no crash barrier.
It was being towed by a landcruiser,probably a 80 or 100
http://www.bushtrackerownersgroup.a...age=/Forum/Default.asp?DisplaySet=Active&PN=1

And by the way oz has been the biggest buyer of the F series outside of North America for years.
Getting supplies of RHD units has always been a headache for Ford dealers and at one point they rebadged the Nissan SWB and cab chassis as a Ford Maverick to make up the shortfall of RH broncos and F150s in 88-90
A lot of people are disapointed the F25o is no longer available with the 7.3 because it doesnt comply with the new emissions laws from Jan 31st this year.

 

[Tapage]

I find it hard to imagine a situation where the 1HZ is underpowered,except maybe towing a load heavier than the cruiser..

ditto ..

But certanly it time to Toyota mave a V8 diesel .. they need to fight with big cummings and powerstroke engine .. and they Can !

 

[roscoFJ73]

ditto ..

But certanly it time to Toyota mave a V8 diesel .. they need to fight with big cummings and powerstroke engine .. and they Can !

They really need a bigger body like the Nissan Titan? before they can enter that league.
The drivetrain also needs to be upgraded.
Its a whole new market that is already well serviced in a time of skyrocketing fuel costs

 

[chrislee]

V8.......Good!!

 

[Tapage]

They really need a bigger body like the Nissan Titan? before they can enter that league.
The drivetrain also needs to be upgraded.
Its a whole new market that is already well serviced in a time of skyrocketing fuel costs

I'm not sure if Toyota are really interested in 1 ton or more capacity market .. but they need to gow .. and offer V8 .. is a rule, What about those persons that really have money ( not us .. ) they aren't interested in what means Toyota for us and for sure aren't fanatics ..

But really have money to spend in a V8 engine .. only to say " I have a V8 toyota "

 

[tlcruiserman]

They really need a bigger body like the Nissan Titan? before they can enter that league.
The drivetrain also needs to be upgraded.
Its a whole new market that is already well serviced in a time of skyrocketing fuel costs

Toyota is already building a bigger body, it is the all new Tundra for 2007, it is a macro-flash viewer so I could not grab photos but here are the body specs:

length = 228.7"
Width= 79.9"
hieght= 76.4"
Wheelbase= 145.7"
Bed Length=78.7"
Bed Width=65.0"
Bed Depth=22.3"

They have not mentioned the engine in any infor yet, I think they are working on a new version of 4.7 V8 rummor has it that it will be 5.x V8 and then follow on with hybrid diesel electrick based off there current hybrid technology.

Cheers,

Michael

 

[roscoFJ73]

Ah yes the Tundra,I had frogotten about that. I wonder if it will make it downunder?
Since the demise of the F250 diesel here there is a hole in that market

 

[roscoFJ73]

I'm not sure if Toyota are really interested in 1 ton or more capacity market ..
"

Toyota are already king of the 1 ton market here with the 79 series and the Hilux/Hiace followed closely by Nissan and Holden Rodeo(GM-Isuzu)

 

[lloyd_lluvbullet]

Its only logical that Toyota introduces the TD V8, especially since the latest Range Rover has one already.

I'm confident that the new engine would be an improvement over the I-L6 and also fuel economy couldn't be worse; Japanese manufacturers would never introduce a model that is capable of destroying their market share.


Let's also hope that the new 70 series comes with a width that is at least 3" wider on each side as everything on the current 70 Series Land Cruiser looks great except its narrow width.


Another thing, body shape should not change, in fact they should even go retro but upgrade the engine and drivetrain only, this way it'll remain special for a very long time. It seems nearly all of the newer model of 'trucks' look cheap, recycled and certainly very 'mass produced'.

Bring back the 60 series, introduce wider axles, supercharged 5.7L quad cam V8 (for the top-of-the-line),TD V8 & 1HD-FTE with choice of a well-spaced-ratioed 6-speed manual tranny or 7-speed auto, choice of leaf suspension (load-carrying fleet owners) and coil suspension (recreational off-road crowd), front round lights(no square lights please), minimal approach & departure angles for obstacle courses, 115" wheelbase for overland comfort, etc...most importantly as well- an affordable price. haha wishful thinking