kdss better then lc or lx?

[Thai]

Hmmm, really ya think? Does the GX and your G500 brakes work at 100% power when the motor is off?

Mine does. Doesn't yours??

And you said earlier that your TLC100 has lockers...can you tell me the type?? My brother is interested. You have full lockers (front and rear), right?? ARB makes one for the front?? Please tell me the parts number and company. Thanks in advance.

You said earlier that ATRAC got you across something where a locker would not. Can you describe the situation for my sake?? I need to learn from experience so that i know what to do if i encounter it. Thanks.

 

[Thai]

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Sure you compare the 100 to Expo's and Esca's......but I was refering to (read it) app and dep angles, not overall wheeling.

I know what you're referring to. So, because the TLC100 is an 8-seater, that's the excuse for having less approach/departure angles than another SUV?? So, when you get stuck going up a rock ledge, you can tell the Jeep people about your excuse. Yeah, i guess you do need a lift and big tires to get better approach/departure angles than 31/24.

 

[e9999]

I know what you're referring to. So, because the TLC100 is an 8-seater, that's the excuse for having less approach/departure angles than another SUV?? So, when you get stuck going up a rock ledge, you can tell the Jeep people about your excuse. Yeah, i guess you do need a lift and big tires to get better approach/departure angles than 31/24.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Mine does. Doesn't yours?? Are you still pissed, shotts?

I've never been pissed. I find this very entertaining. Seriously now.....I'm wondering if another vehicle (other than the 100/LX) has the electric brake booster? I can have the key on without the engine running and have full braking ability. That's a huge safety factor. Does the G have this? The GX (anyone?)?

And you said earlier that your TLC100 has lockers...can you tell me the type?? My brother is interested. You have full lockers (front and rear), right?? ARB makes one for the front?? Please tell me the parts number and company. Thanks in advance.

ARB. Part #'s? Check a dealer site for them.

You said earlier that ATRAC got you across something where a locker would not. Can you describe the situation for my sake?? I need to learn from experience so that i know what to do if i encounter it. Thanks.

Snow and ice last winter.....Under varying situations I'd spin and slide with lockers. Without them the TRAC system moved me straight and up about a 25 degree inclide on ice and snow. I further played on an icy road. Locked and stepping on the gas I'd slide and lose control. Open, with TRAC, I could give it the gas and the system took over the vehicle by itself. I was amazed.
Oh, and off-camber rocky climbs can be safer with TRAC than locked because the locker can slide you sideways off the edge or into a rock wall.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I know what you're referring to. So, because the TLC100 is an 8-seater, that's the excuse for having less approach/departure angles than another SUV?? So, when you get stuck going up a rock ledge, you can tell the Jeep people about your excuse. Yeah, i guess you do need a lift and big tires to get better approach/departure angles than 31/24.

I think larger tires helps any off-roader? Right?

http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/gallery/611082

 

[dclee]

Snow and ice last winter.....Under varying situations I'd spin and slide with lockers. Without them the TRAC system moved me straight and up about a 25 degree inclide on ice and snow. I further played on an icy road. Locked and stepping on the gas I'd slide and lose control. Open, with TRAC, I could give it the gas and the system took over the vehicle by itself. I was amazed.
Oh, and off-camber rocky climbs can be safer with TRAC than locked because the locker can slide you sideways off the edge or into a rock wall.

Lockers are also a no-no in soft sand. All you do is end up digging yourself down to the frame, especially if you have mud tires. Good traction control, on the other hand (tuned just as Toyota tunes the TRAC system on the 100), will get you out of most of those situations.

Geez, this is common knowledge, maybe the guy is not so experienced a driver as he claims? It's not the machine, it's the man (or woman) behind the wheel...

Oh, and I say again, why is he still on the forum? To date he has still not contributed anything of value, just trolled a lot and has pissed off quite a few members. Why are we enduring this?

He also shows a remarkable lack of real-world 4-wheeling experience. But he sure knows how to regurgitate specs off the Internet!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Lockers are also a no-no in soft sand. All you do is end up digging yourself down to the frame, especially if you have mud tires. Good traction control, on the other hand (tuned just as Toyota tunes the TRAC system on the 100), will get you out of most of those situations.

Geez, this is common knowledge, maybe the guy is not so experienced a driver as he claims? It's not the machine, it's the man (or woman) behind the wheel...

Oh, and I say again, why is he still on the forum? To date he has still not contributed anything of value, just trolled a lot and has pissed off quite a few members. Why are we enduring this?

He also shows a remarkable lack of real-world 4-wheeling experience. But he sure knows how to regurgitate specs off the Internet!

Thai luvs his G500's app and dep angles (though doesn't mention his lack of ground clearance/breakover, suspension flex....a 100 has more overall, tire size, and the like). If he wants app and dep angles he should snatch an H2.

 

[Thai]

Schotts...do we have to get into that again?? My flex is perfectly good...easily on par with TLC100 and GX470 KDSS. I will have my RTI picture soon enough (vs. GX470 KDSS). My breakover is about 25 degrees, while my approach/departure angles are 36/27. What's TLC100 stock numbers?? My ground clearance is 8.3 at the pumpkin...and 11" elsewhere. Remember, both of my pumpkins are on passenger side...so getting over a rock is no problem.

Snow and ice are big no-no for lockers...everyone knows that. However, i don't tend to consider them as "off-roading". That's funny.

As for sand...doesn't ATRAC brake the spinning wheel(s)?? If so, how are you gonna climb up a sand hill?? In fact, i can point you to a few stories on my forum where the 4runner has gotten stuck (sank) due to ATRAC. Technically speaking, ATRAC can easily get confused in soft sand...it's a common problem. I had it when i had my '02 4runner and my brother had the same problem with his LR DIsco II. Sorry, i do not believe that ATRAC is at it's best in deep sand!

What's bad in sand?? Well, how heavy is your truck?? If you're heavy, then you will sink. Mud terrains do make things worst...best tires are probably street-biased tires. That's BASIC to any off-roader. I am surprised you guys did not know that. And NO, lockers are not considered "bad" in sand.

 

[FirstToy]

Oh, and I say again, why is he still on the forum? To date he has still not contributed anything of value, just trolled a lot and has pissed off quite a few members. Why are we enduring this?

He also shows a remarkable lack of real-world 4-wheeling experience. But he sure knows how to regurgitate specs off the Internet!

exactly.

 

[e9999]

let's keep things pleasant and informative, please!

 

[woody]

keep it up boys....you'll both find yourself with every post under moderator approval before hitting the forum.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

The mouse switch is for my IPF900 lights. Right click and they are fog lights. Left click and they are driving lights. Kidding!

 

[e9999]

well, I guess that was a reminder from the higher authorities that life is too short for back and forth less than constructive posts and personal attacks... Thanks Woody!

Soooo, anybody with new relevant information?

 

[macneill]

The only info I have is that this almost became the third thread in 100 to close.

I think I'm noticing a trend here.

 

[woody]

The only info I have is that this almost became the third thread in 100 to close.

I think I'm noticing a trend here.

this is relevent tech??

 

[e9999]

damn, Woody beat me to it!

guys, gotta tell ya that the other mods are probably chomping at the bit to come here and kick some 100 butts. Bunch of vicious dogs, I'm tellin' ya!
Better that we don't feel obliged to invite them over to hone their skills a bit for fun, eh?

 

[bulldog-yota]

bit of the kdss topic

the GX and 4R has an electric brake booster and i believe it is very similar to the 100s

the ATRAC on the 4R works very well oi sand thank you. James, I and others have demonstrated it numerous times. I believe the ATRAC on the 100 works just as well. Climbimg dunes is a function of momentum and flotation. Weight is the big enemy, especially if you have small diameter and side wall tires. The problem is that people dont know their vehicles (more a 4R than a LC problem it seems). The skid control(VSC) is what kills you in sand not ATRAC, just lock the center diff and you are golden. I found this out the hard way at Pismo.

See http://www.ezdries.net/Vidpics/snt2004/SnT 2004.mpg


SO Thai you keep on telling us how good your G is, why not bring it out to Moab, DV and Pismo (all of which are established LC events) I dont see any G events running the wonderful Gs all over the trails(as I wont mind going on some). Only once you have wheeled with the guys are you allowed to talk smack. As I told you in PM comparing specs is one thing but lets go do trails, and you will see all the numbers and yada yada doesn't matter anymore. Lets do mud, dunes, DV washboard and then rock. Then you can talk again. And this is a little 4R, maybe then you will have an appreciation of the cruisers (as most of them on this board will do much better than my ride on most surfaces).

If you can't safely fit bigger tires on your G, dont make it a Toyota problem by talking smack about compensating. I wish I could easily run 35", but at least I can safely run 33" on my 4R with no effect on VSC and EBD. The 100 easily runs 33" with no mods at all.

back to KDSS.

The flex on the KDSS will not exceed what I have measured on the 4R with the swaybars removed. FWIW in the rear the GX/4R do full flex with the sway bar, i.e. bumpstop and full shock extension. It is the front that doesn't, so I removed the swaybar completely and dont expect more than 8-9" side to side flex.

 

[woody]

While head-to-head comparison always sounds great, a good driver with tons of seat time in a stock rig will likely keep up with a poor driver and a modified ride...

same driver different rigs helps some....but seat time still does wonders....

 

[bulldog-yota]

While head-to-head comparison always sounds great, a good driver with tons of seat time in a stock rig will likely keep up with a poor driver and a modified ride...

same driver different rigs helps some....but seat time still does wonders....

Well it is not so much head to head, but rather than argueing on the internet using spec sheets, etc just getting out there. I have seen too many guys blah blah about specs and when they really hit the hard stuff they appreciate other rigs a lot more. Besides it is always nice to hit the trails with cruiserheads even if you dont have a cruiser


Agreed, driver skill makes a huge difference.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

bit of the kdss topic

the GX and 4R has an electric brake booster and i believe it is very similar to the 100s

Excellent! Good to see Toyota working it down in the line. Now that KDSS is new I'd hope to see it integrated into the redesigned Land Cruiser (which I'll bet it does. In fact, with all the other makers adding at least rear lockers, let's hope Toy offers that in the new one too.