installing of diff lock into HJ60

[dieselcruiserhead]

My 1987 Canadian HJ60 did NOT have a floater rear.



TB

Same here. Also there is no such thing as a "Hd" ring and pinion, all the thrid members are the same from FF tio semi float with the exception of the cable and e locking thirds. However, the cable and e locker thirds stil use the same R&*P and other parts, they just ahve the built in locker. Also the cable and e locker share the same basic design, except that one is cable actuated and the other has an electric motor. Luckily all cruiser axles especially in the rear are pretty heavy duty, while I love the FFers I do not see a huge advantage of them other than c clip elimiation, ease of 3rd member removal and some other small things. They may be stronger but I believe only marginally so...

Also most of the diesels espectially of that era actually had less power than the gas models. So there is no reason they would be more "Heavy duty." Also, all Land Cruisers were considered "heavy duty" by Toyota at the time unless they had 5 or 4 cyl engines like the LJ70 and such, which are considered "medium duty" and share some parts with mini trucks. Even then the 1PZ and 3B and dialects 4 and 5 cyl cruisers are mostly Heavy duty so there are no givens...

 

[eppy]

Sorry I thought all diesel hj60 had fullfloating.

 

[beanz2]

The issue with installing e-locker is well described by Ben Fergusson. My questions now are:
a) how (in easierst/chapest way) to change the gearing from 3.7 to 4.1 ?
b) how to change SF rear axle into FF ? (read: what I need to buy/what can I use from SF and transfer to FF, what would be approx cost of used parts?)

I have seen several FJ80 -> FJ60 axle swap posts - is it the only option ? Or can I just buy in US 2nd hand FF rear axle ?

The cheapest is probably to buy a complete differential with 4.11 gears. This ratio is a common ratio to find. Next is to buy aftermarket ring & pinion gears and have it installed. This option makes a lot of sense if you are installing aftemarket lockers, e.g. the ARB.

The only practical way to change from a SF to a FF is a complete axle swap. A few fools have converted their SF axles into FF with some fabrication but it takes custom fabrication of parts.

People in the US change their rear axles with 80 series axles because that is what is available here. Of course they also get rear disc brakes in the deal. But if 60 FF axles were as available that would be much easier as the spring perches are already there.

IMO the US is not a good source of Landcruiser parts, we get a much narrower selection of vehicles and the parts you are looking for are much easier to source in your continent.

Dave

 

[aklosak]

Since you live in poland, you might speak ger'man too! There's tons of 60 series over there, and you might find secondhand axles or a wreck with the right axles. You can also search in holand. Knowing the car market in denmark, i'd doubt you'll find anything cheap!
Max.

Satamax,
that what I also thought - hovever I do not speak german [russian influance was stronger in last 50 years, so we learned russian in school, not german ]
I have seen several hj60 on german auctions, but most of them had SF rear axles. But I keep trying.

In demark, new or used cars are VERY expensive (180% of goverment tax), but used parts are sometimes just a bargain.

thanks
andy

 

[aklosak]

The cheapest is probably to buy a complete differential with 4.11 gears.

Dave, if I use in front axle toyota e-locker from fzj80 with 4.1 ratio, can I use in rear axle 4.11 or I have to use EXACTLY the same ratio ?

Next is to buy aftermarket ring & pinion gears and have it installed.

Can You point out where and what exacly I should by for rear HJ60 axle to get 4.1 ratio ? Is it difficult to install ?

The only practical way to change from a SF to a FF is a complete axle swap.

Agreed. Just need to know HOW complete it needs to be ? Ie. can I use my SF drum brakes ? Or I have to exchange everything ?

IMO the US is not a good source of Landcruiser parts, we get a much narrower selection of vehicles and the parts you are looking for are much easier to source in your continent.

You probably right, but just to give You an example, a Toyota dealer here in Poland wants $3300 for a new rear differential with e-locker for hzj80!!! In US it cost new up to $1000 and I have heard you can buy it used for $500. So even including transport, import tax (4,5%) and local vat (22%) it will be cheaper !!!
Europe is very expensive, espesially toyota cars and parts. So pricewise US is a much better place than Europe.

warm regards
andy

 

[Gumby]

I have not seen an e-locker complete 80 axle in the US for less than $1000. that's for a used rear. if you could find a $500 one, I'd be interested.

 

[beanz2]

Dave, if I use in front axle toyota e-locker from fzj80 with 4.1 ratio, can I use in rear axle 4.11 or I have to use EXACTLY the same ratio ?

You can use 4.10 front and 4.11 rear, especially in a part time 4WD vehicle.

Can You point out where and what exacly I should by for rear HJ60 axle to get 4.1 ratio ? Is it difficult to install ?

You need the ring and pinion gear set, an R&P installation kit, diff gaskets and 90W oil. I wouldn't try to set the R&P myself, I usually have a friend do it for me. Shops around here charge $150 or so to set up a gear set.

In Europe I'd try http://www.all-american.nl/ or http://www.landcruiser-teile.de/ or http://www.toms-fahrzeugtechnik.de/Zubehoer.htm . Disclaimer: I've never had the privilege of doing business with them yet.

Agreed. Just need to know HOW complete it needs to be ? Ie. can I use my SF drum brakes ? Or I have to exchange everything ?

Few parts interchange like the brake cylinders, shoe adjusters, parking brake cable, but if you buy an axle try to get a complete axle to state the obvious

You probably right, but just to give You an example, a Toyota dealer here in Poland wants $3300 for a new rear differential with e-locker for hzj80!!! In US it cost new up to $1000 and I have heard you can buy it used for $500. So even including transport, import tax (4,5%) and local vat (22%) it will be cheaper !!!
Europe is very expensive, espesially toyota cars and parts. So pricewise US is a much better place than Europe.

Like Todd (Gumby) said, the $500 e-locker diffs are there if you look long and hard, but usually such bargains don't last and your chances of buying one from overseas without a local's cooperation is almost nil. The person that shows up first with cash on hand usually gets the deal. It isn't anything against foreigners, but the overseas buyer is at a severe disadvantage. I've tried many times on international deals like this. If the seller is legitimate, it sells fast. If the seller is shady, the international buyer is the perfect victim.

Good luck in your endeavors,
Dave

 

[Mike S]

I have not seen an e-locker complete 80 axle in the US for less than $1000. that's for a used rear. if you could find a $500 one, I'd be interested.

Gumby, I think we're talking about a rear locked third member from an 80. Can be bought new for well under $1000, used for about $500 to $650. One just went on eBay a few weeks ago for $525, I think.

Still requires the new short side axle shaft, which is going to be about $250 addtional.

 

[theferg]

I have not seen an e-locker complete 80 axle in the US for less than $1000. that's for a used rear. if you could find a $500 one, I'd be interested.

I have.

-Ferg-

 

[beanz2]

I have.

-Ferg-

That is exactly my point. There may be bargains here and there, but they are snapped up so fast, the prices cannot be taken as the going price. So if I bought a brand new cable locking diff off eBay for $575 it doesn't mean Aklosak in Poland can buy the same thing any day.

Dave

 

[theferg]

I couldn't agree more. But I just wanted to point out that it can be found for less, it just takes a bit of work. And patience. FWIW, a quick search on www.car-part.com shows about 20 complete 80 series rears with diff lock for $1000 or less (I would definitely get it verified somehow first that it was a locking diff). That's where I got mine. Most wrecking yards have a 30 day return policy, but I just used my VISA and figured that if something was wrong with it when I got it, I would just file a complaint with my VISA. That being said, it would most likely be more difficult for some one outside the US to get one from a yard here, unless like Dave said, some one here in the US could help them out. I'd bet a few LC specialty shops (my favs would be www.CruiserOutfitters.com, www.ProffittsCruisers.com, www.UrbanLandCruisers.com, www.ironpigoffroad.com -- though I'm sure there's others you could try) could even help out with something like that, but I'm not sure. Couldn't hurt emailing them on it.

-Ferg-

 

[aklosak]

Thanks Freg and Dave
All Your comments are exactly what I was looking for.

FWIW, a quick search on www.car-part.com shows about 20 complete 80 series rears with diff lock for $1000 or less...

That's exactly what I've done couple of day ago, and now I am trying to verifiy the existance of working diff lock and also the possibility of shipment to Poland. As it is a heavy part (I have found a weight of 44 kgs/pcs - can somebody confirm that ?) probably USPS won't be possible - they have a limit of 70 lbs (35kgs). But I am working on it - if somebody has any suggestions here, they are more then welcome

Most wrecking yards have a 30 day return policy, but I just used my VISA and figured that if something was wrong with it when I got it, I would just file a complaint with my VISA.

That is a good point - I'll check it with my Visa and my Masercard.

I'd bet a few LC specialty shops [...] could even help out with something like that, but I'm not sure. Couldn't hurt emailing them on it.

Thanks for that suggestion and links. I'll do it right away. Especially, I'm considering also (additionally to 1 or 2 e-lockers) to buy rear FF axle, OME (or Safari) suspension, fron/rear bumper, tire carrier, winch and snorkel - so I might became an interesting client And from transportation point of view, it might be better to make it in one shipment. I was saving money during last few months, so who knows, maybe I can afford it all in some time ?

thanks for all Your input
andy

 

[PacToy]

Andy,

I have a buddy in southern Holland who lives near my wife and son. He seems to be very adapt at finding Toyota parts (new and used) for reasonable prices. i.e. He just picked up a 80 series rear with e-locker for 300 Euros. He has a garage full of OEM Toyota parts that he bought from a Toyota parts store that was closing.

So the parts can be found in your geographical area for less than you have mentioned in your country. Heck, he might already have what you need.

Send me a PM if you are interested and I will give you his contact info.

Regards,

Randy