Factory winch needs solenoid??? HELP

[maasa2002]

Hi everyone.

I have a 100 s Land Cruiser 2002. Which this winch is not available in your country for the model years.
I know this section is for 80s, but I put here because mine is 1fzfe engine factory. IT'S FZJ100.
It's almost lookalike. Same engine and same wiring but the front axle and the steering are not the same.
I have questions about the WINCH. AT1000 DENSO


It's the same as 80s factory ELECTRIC winch.
fj_hdj_hzj-80_series_winch.pdf


In fact I had bought it (used) but it didn't come with the factory solenoid.
This is the missing part. It located next to the battery.

The winch has got 3 cables. One is positive. 2nd is negative. The 3rd is to front bumper to the winch controller (wired).

I just connected the 1st cable directly to the battery and IT WORKS FINE. I did NOT use a solenoid or the factory magnet.

I have some questions
1. Should I use a solenoid? Or
2. Is it enough to use a disconnect terminal switch? Just like this one

3. How many wattage and amps of this winch?


THANKS

 

[maasa2002]

 

[maasa2002]

 

[maasa2002]

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[leonard_nemoy]

I am not an expert at all but from reading this page the solenoids sound kind of important.
https://fabfours.com/winch-fundamentals-101-what-you-need-to-know/
If it were me I would try to find an electrical engineer or electrician and have them hook it up. I would think somebody with that level of education would understand all the theories and what not

 

[maasa2002]

Thanks. Leonard nemoy.
No winch electrician available around here.

 

[leonard_nemoy]

I just realized they have a whole forum dedicated to winch's on this website. I would repost your question there and you might get more help...
Winching and Recovery

 

[Pin_Head]

Does the winch motor run in both directions? If so, the motor is series wound and should have three lugs or electrical connections: A armature; F1 field 1 and F2, field 2. The case is the ground connection. One field lug connects to the armature and the other connects to the battery + to make it run. Reversing the field connections reverses the motor.

If you have a series wound motor, you need a double pole, double throw relay or contactor like the Albright DC88P to run it.

 

[maasa2002]

I just realized they have a whole forum dedicated to winch's on this website. I would repost your question there and you might get more help...
Winching and Recovery

I didn't know.
I will put the question there. Thanks a lot.

 

[maasa2002]

Does the winch motor run in both directions? If so, the motor is series wound and should have three lugs or electrical connections: A armature; F1 field 1 and F2, field 2. The case is the ground connection. One field lug connects to the armature and the other connects to the battery + to make it run. Reversing the field connections reverses the motor.

If you have a series wound motor, you need a double pole, double throw relay or contactor like the Albright DC88P to run it.

Thanks pin head

In fact it goes both in and out directions.

Do I need anything beside the the connector dc88p?

 

[Pin_Head]

You need the hand or in cab controller that has a SPDT switch.

 

[maasa2002]

Is it enough to use this part as a solenoid????

 

[Pin_Head]

Sorry, I didn’t notice you posted a link to the winch manual. I agree with the post below. Unfortunately, it does not contain a wiring diagram so it is not clear how it works. It looks like there is a power on/off solenoid in the engine compartment and reversing solenoids on the winch motor itself. You will just have to play with it to figure out how it works in the absence of a wiring diagram.

 

[dugsgms]

Hard to say without a wiring diagram but it looks as if the missing solenoid/magnet switch is a simply a on/off switch used to cut power to the winch when not in use. It seems the the in/out switching is done by two other solenoids mounted to the winch itself. If that is the case then yes, the solenoid in the post directly above should work.

 

[maasa2002]

Thanks pin head.


Dugsgms.
This is a picture of the 2 magnet inside (under the black plastic cover)

This is the manual pic

Any other suggestions??
Of I should stick to the previous metal solenoid??

Thanks any way

 

[Pin_Head]

I think you should stick with the Amazon solenoid to try to recreate the original wiring. It seems to work like a power disconnect.


The other two solenoids on the motor are peculiar. They seem to be simple SPST solenoids like the first one, but they have a common 12V + power connection. The only way that they could reverse direction of the motor is if there are two separate field windings in opposite directions and only one is energized at a time. This is definitely not the way that most winch motors are controlled. Most winch motors have a single field winding and the polarity is flipped using a DPDT solenoid

 

[artech]

That twin solenoid controller setup looks very similar to the one on my old monster Ramsey RE12000 worm gear drive winch. The two solenoids work one at a time to control the direction of the motor. This is admittedly an old school way to run a winch but it does work well in my case at least. (Those old worm drive winches are heavy and slow but they are real beasts when it comes to pulling.) It looks like the poster's original solenoid question was about a separate solenoid that acted as a power disconnect for the whole winch system. That one should be replaceable with any SPST solenoid with a high enough amp rating. I'd suggest a 500 amp unit, but I like to overbuild everything...

 

[maasa2002]

I think you should stick with the Amazon solenoid to try to recreate the original wiring. It seems to work like a power disconnect.


The other two solenoids on the motor are peculiar. They seem to be simple SPST solenoids like the first one, but they have a common 12V + power connection. The only way that they could reverse direction of the motor is if there are two separate field windings in opposite directions and only one is energized at a time. This is definitely not the way that most winch motors are controlled. Most winch motors have a single field winding and the polarity is flipped using a DPDT solenoid

That twin solenoid controller setup looks very similar to the one on my old monster Ramsey RE12000 worm gear drive winch. The two solenoids work one at a time to control the direction of the motor. This is admittedly an old school way to run a winch but it does work well in my case at least. (Those old worm drive winches are heavy and slow but they are real beasts when it comes to pulling.) It looks like the poster's original solenoid question was about a separate solenoid that acted as a power disconnect for the whole winch system. That one should be replaceable with any SPST solenoid with a high enough amp rating. I'd suggest a 500 amp unit, but I like to overbuild everything...

Pin head Thank you.
Arttech
Thank you too.

As you said, the inside solenoids control in and out directions.
The one that I am asking about is just like a disconnector.

I am gonna buy the Amazon solenoid pictured above, a 1000amp handled switch and a 30mm short cable to connect the new solenoid to the battery. I should need another thin cable to connect the solenoid to the fuse box (ignition on working).

Thank you all. You were very helpful.