Ehsan Pakistan Top
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i just want me top....
on a selfish note.. immortal4x4 will not be offering the steel/soft amby doors or the amby bows and amby top which is what I would like to purchase. If the only way to get that is to get it straight from Ehsan I would say let this order go through...
plus just because they announced they are going to be working together doesn't mean all the kinks are going to be worked out quickly. odds are it would take longer to get our order through immortal4x4 than it would to get it straight from Ehsan(for now anyways.. once everything gets figured out and rolling i'm sure this will an outstanding relationship). Plus, immortal4x4 is going to have more customers than just this order and we will be just one of the many many people pre-ordering from immortal making this take even longer.
its tried and true and works.. lets just order from Ehsan this one last time...
plus just because they announced they are going to be working together doesn't mean all the kinks are going to be worked out quickly. odds are it would take longer to get our order through immortal4x4 than it would to get it straight from Ehsan(for now anyways.. once everything gets figured out and rolling i'm sure this will an outstanding relationship). Plus, immortal4x4 is going to have more customers than just this order and we will be just one of the many many people pre-ordering from immortal making this take even longer.
its tried and true and works.. lets just order from Ehsan this one last time...
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this order IS going direct. However, Ehsan going through a NA company will make it much easier and quicker to get these tops, i dont blame E for doing this at, in fact, it is good business.
That being said........i just want me top............
Hey everyone, I will try to answer everyone’s questions.
Ok the reason that this order is different then orders will be in the future if it runs through myself is; Ehsan quoted you guys a price if it runs through myself am bound to the quote he gave and I will honor those prices that being said at those prices I make 0 and for myself to do all of what is required for duties and shipping with this order as I will be doing in the future I will loose money and that is simply a bad plan for myself that being said I am willing to do the organizing and setup to do this order which will cost myself time and have 0 returns other then getting the job done and having a bunch of happy customers. That being said it simply means that with this order if I take it over there is basically no difference then if southbostonFJ where to do it so for US customers you would be dealing with double duties, one of them being reclaimable.
Now all of that being said this order can go direct as I have stated before and this is the reason Ehsan wanted a cut off date for getting in on this order, which was the set as Jan. 16th.
As for Immortal 4x4 not offering the ambi soft top parts I will be offering them they just haven’t made it onto my product list yet.
Now if this order runs through myself it will be first in line I will honor everyone’s placement in line.
So for this one last order its basically up to southbostonFJ if he wants to deal with it all or hand it off its his choice, but I will help if its needed.
Hope this answers some if not all questions
Cheers
Graham
Ok the reason that this order is different then orders will be in the future if it runs through myself is; Ehsan quoted you guys a price if it runs through myself am bound to the quote he gave and I will honor those prices that being said at those prices I make 0 and for myself to do all of what is required for duties and shipping with this order as I will be doing in the future I will loose money and that is simply a bad plan for myself that being said I am willing to do the organizing and setup to do this order which will cost myself time and have 0 returns other then getting the job done and having a bunch of happy customers. That being said it simply means that with this order if I take it over there is basically no difference then if southbostonFJ where to do it so for US customers you would be dealing with double duties, one of them being reclaimable.
Now all of that being said this order can go direct as I have stated before and this is the reason Ehsan wanted a cut off date for getting in on this order, which was the set as Jan. 16th.
As for Immortal 4x4 not offering the ambi soft top parts I will be offering them they just haven’t made it onto my product list yet.
Now if this order runs through myself it will be first in line I will honor everyone’s placement in line.
So for this one last order its basically up to southbostonFJ if he wants to deal with it all or hand it off its his choice, but I will help if its needed.
Hope this answers some if not all questions
Cheers
Graham
Graham,
Ehsan hasn't responded to my three requests for pricing and delivery. So we don't have a price yet. I asked you earlier to give us a price also, so I could compare. The one price that I was quoted was for 15 tops and bows at ~$816 delivered to a US shipping point (Boston). The quantities have changed since then which is why I asked for a requote.
I would assume that you negotiated yourself a better deal than the $650 we were going to pay for our tops, so I don't really understand the part about you not making any money at $816. I would also assume that you'd be ordering enough parts to justify at least a 20 foot container. The cost for that is roughly $3400. Our tops would take up about 1/5th of that or about $680. Divide that by 12 tops and it's $57 per top for shipping. Add another $100 per top for duties and taxes, which seems high to me and you get $807 per top.
If I am way off here, let me know. I am willing to pay more than the $816 price to have you run it, just give us a fair price.
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Reedo311
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Second that.
It seems that Ehsan needs to respond not only to South Boston's emails, but also to this thread. We are currently at a stand still.
This is true.
Hey there,
Alright if you guys are willing to work with me on this one I'll see what I can do, I can say that a 20ft sea can is not worth it the price diff is about 500 bucks and a guy can get a 40ft.
Give me a couple of days to get some stuff together and Talk with Ehsan on one or two items and I will get back to everyone.
Cheers
Alright if you guys are willing to work with me on this one I'll see what I can do, I can say that a 20ft sea can is not worth it the price diff is about 500 bucks and a guy can get a 40ft.
Give me a couple of days to get some stuff together and Talk with Ehsan on one or two items and I will get back to everyone.
Cheers
Fill up that 40 footer and get our shipping costs waaay down!
Oh and thank you southbostonFJ for the number clarification I thought I had seen other numbers earlier, my mistake.
Just to Clarify my only concern for this order is to brake even,
there would be 3 extra costs that I can see that haven’t been factored in by you off the top, brokerage way less hassle to have a broker do it for you then to do it yourself, there will also be port fees for the shipment and insurance on the shipment, that’s off the top of my head there might be a few other things. I'll think on it and figure it out and post up when I have all the info together.
Cheers
Graham
Graham thanks for the clarification.. since the ambi tops, bows, doors will be offered i guess i am now with beefbarely on this one - i'm not in a rush....
i just want me top....
Hey everyone, I just want to say your all great
. Thanks again for the patience we'll getter done its just going to take a little bit of figuring.
You guys are doing a good job of keeping me on my toes
Cheers
Graham
. Thanks again for the patience we'll getter done its just going to take a little bit of figuring. You guys are doing a good job of keeping me on my toes
Cheers
Graham
I know SouthbostonFJ has graciously accepted the lead on this, but I will say, I do want my top kind of quickly. If we can get our order of whatt, 16, 17 tops now to Ehsan and out the door in a couple of months time, if he uses as much stock on hand as he can, then...... I say go direct and get it here.
If imortal can fill a 40 ft container and get costs down, and help work it all out, great. But I don't want to wait a year for Ehsan to get enough stuff together to fill a container, when our crate could be here in a few months.
Sorry, but I am in a bit of a hurry, not to be impatient or rude or anything else, I know it takes time, but sooner the better for me personally. I'll go along with whatever gets planned, but that is my voice in the matter. Either way carry on, I know this all takes time and patience. Just wish we would get it going soon.
On a side note, my name is Graham also, nice to meet another Graham, you don't run into many Graham's in the world, especially in the little Cruiser world.
If imortal can fill a 40 ft container and get costs down, and help work it all out, great. But I don't want to wait a year for Ehsan to get enough stuff together to fill a container, when our crate could be here in a few months.
Sorry, but I am in a bit of a hurry, not to be impatient or rude or anything else, I know it takes time, but sooner the better for me personally. I'll go along with whatever gets planned, but that is my voice in the matter. Either way carry on, I know this all takes time and patience. Just wish we would get it going soon.
On a side note, my name is Graham also, nice to meet another Graham, you don't run into many Graham's in the world, especially in the little Cruiser world.
I am for whatever happens. I am the opposite of Graham. I could wait a year (even though I will be in Afghanistan...pretty darn close 
...by the time it came) if it would save a little bit of money.
So no worries on this side. I'm for whatever is easier. But I sure would like to have the top for the summer. This last Summer in NC was hell compared to my home town back in OR. I don't think I could handle another one with the hard top on.
...by the time it came) if it would save a little bit of money.So no worries on this side. I'm for whatever is easier. But I sure would like to have the top for the summer. This last Summer in NC was hell compared to my home town back in OR. I don't think I could handle another one with the hard top on.
Can I assume that with a 40ft container there would be other parts, such as 1/2 tubs, etc that will fill it up faster? It would take forever to fill it with tops and bows!
My concern is still with the double duty. I travel out of the country a lot and it is a PITA to get refunds. I'm still waiting on some from Scotland from way back in August!
My concern is still with the double duty. I travel out of the country a lot and it is a PITA to get refunds. I'm still waiting on some from Scotland from way back in August!
Hey there everyone,
Graham I hear you on wanting your top quickly and its also nice to run into another Graham (that makes two that I have run into so far), I'm sure there are many others that would also like one quickly with that being said I have talked to Ehsan about some of this already with regards to filling a 40ft container He believes it would be in the 6 month range to get that to myself and tlc4x yes the container would be filled with various other parts. I was think several 3/4 tubs a couple of 1/2 tubs, some fender sets, half doors etc. So I guess the question would be would a 6 month time frame work for the majority? or is there enough demand for tops quickly to figure out a smaller order?, a small order does raise shipping though.
tlc4x I understand your concerns duty wise so heres what I'm going with regard to the duty payments, the duty that I pay to get the parts into Canada is built into the price listed on the Immortal 4x4 site just like any other product you might buy, so when the parts are shipped from Immortal 4x4 to a US customer what happens is US customs will charge duty at the point it enters the US, I will pay that duty myself so a US customer will not have to deal with duty AT ALL (taxes thats a state by state issue) so then what will happen is it will be up to me to chase the government for the one duty which makes it my PITA. Does this make since to everyone? feel free to let me know if it does, I've been talking to, too many government agents of late and my head feels like its going to melt.
OK now I have one problem myself that maybe someone out there can help with, The soft tops being textile are an issue with customs apparently the US is very strict when it comes to textile imports, so there has been concern raised by the brokerage company I have been dealing with and US/Canadian customs officers that the tops might be classed as textile not auto body parts for duty purposes in which case duty goes from 6% to 18% 
. and we all see what that means, So if anyone out there knows someone who has bought a top in the past if they can get me copy's of there import paper work that came with the tops that might make my life allot easier assuming they have been classed as auto body parts in they're paper work. If not I have a bit of a fight on my hands for this one. Any help with this would be great.
Cheers
Graham
Graham I hear you on wanting your top quickly and its also nice to run into another Graham (that makes two that I have run into so far), I'm sure there are many others that would also like one quickly with that being said I have talked to Ehsan about some of this already with regards to filling a 40ft container He believes it would be in the 6 month range to get that to myself and tlc4x yes the container would be filled with various other parts. I was think several 3/4 tubs a couple of 1/2 tubs, some fender sets, half doors etc. So I guess the question would be would a 6 month time frame work for the majority? or is there enough demand for tops quickly to figure out a smaller order?, a small order does raise shipping though.
tlc4x I understand your concerns duty wise so heres what I'm going with regard to the duty payments, the duty that I pay to get the parts into Canada is built into the price listed on the Immortal 4x4 site just like any other product you might buy, so when the parts are shipped from Immortal 4x4 to a US customer what happens is US customs will charge duty at the point it enters the US, I will pay that duty myself so a US customer will not have to deal with duty AT ALL (taxes thats a state by state issue) so then what will happen is it will be up to me to chase the government for the one duty which makes it my PITA. Does this make since to everyone? feel free to let me know if it does, I've been talking to, too many government agents of late and my head feels like its going to melt.
OK now I have one problem myself that maybe someone out there can help with, The soft tops being textile are an issue with customs apparently the US is very strict when it comes to textile imports, so there has been concern raised by the brokerage company I have been dealing with and US/Canadian customs officers that the tops might be classed as textile not auto body parts for duty purposes in which case duty goes from 6% to 18%
. and we all see what that means, So if anyone out there knows someone who has bought a top in the past if they can get me copy's of there import paper work that came with the tops that might make my life allot easier assuming they have been classed as auto body parts in they're paper work. If not I have a bit of a fight on my hands for this one. Any help with this would be great.Cheers
Graham
I am in the same boat as Moco. I originally was attempting to deal with Ehsan directly, but when communications were sparse, I went with the group order assuming it would be easier for Ehsan to deal with one person with a big order. It seemed as though that was everyone's intention (at first) as we set a very quick deadline and waited for payment info to follow. Now we have possibly more orders, possibly trying to fill a large container, go through Canada, and so on ..... I knew this would be an arduous process when I started, but I thought receiving a top and half doors in six to seven months was reasonable (Ehsan said it only takes about ten days to make the top).
I guess I'm looking to you, Graham, for some guidance. It appears you are the only one that has contact with Ehsan.
I guess I'm looking to you, Graham, for some guidance. It appears you are the only one that has contact with Ehsan.
