Cruiser Days "After-party Multi-day Trip" Plan

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Time to make plans for a post-Cruiser Days multi-day adventure...
Throwing out doing the Lower Churn through Yodel (that Mike and Kim did last summer) up to Upper Churn. Options from there are east back to Fraser via China Head, out Yalakom to Lillooet, or west to Gold Bridge and Hurley FSR.
Of course your input is appreciated.
Who's in!?
 
Unlikely to make this or Cruiser Days.

That said, I think the Yodel/Windy Ridge trail is a great thing!


Plans have changed and I will be able to make Cruiser Days and at least the one night campout. Hoping for the full pull, but will see how it goes.
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Aright, ladies and gentlemen this is fast approaching. Are we yodeling?
Cruiser days always has had a (long) day trip-able camp night following cruiser days then with an extended option. if we yodel, Churn creek (camp spot 1) is quite a trek from Abby, that's a pretty serious drive following cruiser days. This trip will be a few days, especially if we have a bunch of trucks. We need to make a decision on time limitations. Luckily, there are a few options to get out early IF needed. We also need to be cautious of weather, windy ridge is a no go if raining, we will cross this bridge close to and make alternative plans if necessary.

A few ideas, keep in mind we may be able to make better time than this, it will depend of amount of people, capabilities, and if we run into anything exciting. I would give yourself this much time though, just incase issues arise. keep in mind Kim and I cleared from churn to roscoe in 8 hours and we doubled back for a missing tire carrier, if conditions are the same, we could potentially clear churn to top in windy ridge in a single day but roscoe lake is a beauuuty camp spot. As a group we need to decide how hard we want to push, whom has time, etc. Leave no cruiser behind!

My vote is option 1 or 2, I booked the week off. Open to other suggestions as well!

option 1
day 1- cruiser days followed by a camp spot 3-4 hours from abby not to far off route to Clinton.
day 2- camp site to churn creek
day 3- churn to roscoe lake *potential long day*
day 4- roscoe, windy ridge, poison, potentially start of China head * potential exit for those crunched for time Via Yalokom fsr into Lillooet*
day 5- China head and out to the ferry, find camp for the night, or head home. approx 8 hour drive back to lower mainland after a day of driving.
day 6- drive home from final camp.
option 2
day 1- cruiser days followed by a camp spot 3-4 hours from abby not to far off route to Clinton.
day 2- stop in at churn creek but carry on past. There are multiple locations past churn, corral rec site, black dome has 4 or 5 marked camp sites, or find a spot along the trail. I can think of a few flat spots we came across.
day 3- continue on the trail to yodel cabin and then roscoe lake, potentially keep going and do windy ridge as well. find some where to camp up on the plateau. *potential long day*
day 4- Poison, China head and either camp French creek or cross the ferry and camp big bar or ?
day 5- Drive home
option 3
day 1- cruiser days followed by a camp spot 3-4 hours from abby not to far off route to Clinton.
day 2- stop in at churn creek but carry on past. There are multiple locations past churn, corral rec site, black dome has 4 or 5 marked camp sites, or find a spot along the trail. I can think of a few flat spots we came across.
day 3- continue on the trail to yodel cabin and then roscoe lake, potentially keep going and do windy ridge as well. find some where to camp up on the plateau.
day 4- head out yalokom into Lillooet and home
option 4
day 1- cruiser days followed by a camp spot 3-4 hours from abby not to far off route to Clinton.
day 2- stop in at churn creek but carry on past. There are multiple locations past churn, corral rec site, black dome has 4 or 5 marked camp sites, or find a spot along the trail. I can think of a few flat spots we came across.
day 3- continue on the trail to yodel cabin and then roscoe lake, potentially keep going and do windy ridge as well. keep going down to mud lakes and camp there *potential long day*
day 4- drive out from mud lakes and home, via Lillooet or the hurley.
option 4
day 1- cruiser days followed by longer drive to churn creek
day 2- churn to roscoe lake, potentially windy ridge and camp up on plateau.
day 3-poison mountain, China head and out the ferry. either camp french creek if behind schedule, but try to get across to big bar rec site or?
day 4- Jesmond lookout if people are interested and or just head straight home. Franz had a back road route from here last time that broke the day up a bit.
 
Hi Mike! Thanks for your post above - Options look good. I'm planning to call you tomorrow as well.
I've been working and mapping a few different options as well, similar to yours.
Been speaking with Greg and Daryl as well.
Looking at two options closer to eastern Fraser Valley for those who can camp out on Saturday night only.
Note that Kookipi is unfortunately closed for major road works.
I'm going to post the detailed route options this weekend, and the overview is as follows:
Sat after Cruiser Days - camp either off Hwy1 between Hope and Yale, or off Hwy5 (Coq) about 10-15km north of Hope - Daryl is looking into the options.
Sun - Drive Hwy1 to Clinton, refuel and restock (ice cream!!!), and continue to Gang Ranch/Churn Creek to camp at Fraser. This is a long day. Alternatively could drive gravel from Boston Bar up west side of Fraser to Lillooet, fuel and restock there, and then over Pavilion to Kelly Lake and up west side of Marble Range (will need more reserve fuel), or to Clinton for topping up fuel. This would be a longer day, but more interesting than the highway.
Mon - Churn Creek/Gang Ranch south through Empire valley, up Churn Creek via Yodel Roaster Lake and Yodel Camp, to the switchbacks at Upper Churn with a camp site at Swartz Lake (by Mud Lakes). This provides a bug-out location for those heading west, through to Gold Bridge, Hurley to Pemberton, and south to Vancouver.
Tue - Swartz Lake back through Upper Churn switchbacks to Yalakom/Poison Mtn 3-way junction. The upper Yalakom route can be taken around Poison to Davey Jones (allows exit out Yalakom to Lillooet if anyone needs a more direct route back to the Fraser Valley), or we can proceed directly past Poison to Davey Jones, over Windy/Chinahead, and camp at Schraeder Lake at east end of Chinahead.
Wed - Out to Big Bar ferry (instead of West Pavilion to Lillooet), up to the Marble Range main perhaps including Jesmond Fire Lookout. and camp at an undetermined location (perhaps at a lake nearby as last time). Refuel in Clinton, and then.... here's where I'm throwing the spanner into the works. If we bypass Jesmond, we can go to Clinton for fuel, and carry on back southwest via Kelly Lake and over the range to Pavilion. At Pavilion, turn east again to the Hat Creek road, and head south and up towards Blue Earth Lake to camp (this sits in the triangle between Cache Creek/Pavilion/Spences Bridge).
Thu - explore this area including Cornwall Hills fire lookout. There are may roads through here to get lost on. We can camp in the same area, or head down to Spences Bridge and explore elsewhere, possibly of Hwy12 towards Merritt. This gives those coming from the Okanagan or other points east an easier route home. Those of us heading back to the lower mainland can get back easily too. And for those that need to be home before Friday it's very easy to do from Cornwall Hills.
I'll post links to the route sections (GPX and KML) plus a spreadsheet to calculate fuel capacity needs this weekend.
Cheers!
 
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Hmm. I’ve never actually been over the china head and poison mtn route. Unfortunately timing probably won’t work for me. Just back from down south and have a work shift planned to start around then. But its been on my list of places to see for a long while so maybe. One comment/question. Last I heard was maybe some of that route was technically in an elevation based vehicle closure but was being mapped to get added to an exemption?
 
Hmm. I’ve never actually been over the china head and poison mtn route. Unfortunately timing probably won’t work for me. Just back from down south and have a work shift planned to start around then. But its been on my list of places to see for a long while so maybe. One comment/question. Last I heard was maybe some of that route was technically in an elevation based vehicle closure but was being mapped to get added to an exemption?
The route between Mud Lakes and China Head have received an official exemption so no worries on driving that route!

From 4WDABC pages;

As of today (June 30), that route is officially granted a year-round exemption for direct travel between Mud Lakes and China Head!
Thank you to everyone who put in the time and effort on this project and who provided their input on the government's request for comments earlier this spring.
This is advocacy in action!
See the updated map here: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/.../mvpr_1_14_red_mountain_french...
 
Just replying to say this sounds awesome, won't be around for this but wish I could come along, have fun! I just got back from a 2week trip with the main routes being through mud lakes - poison mtn - china head - Schwartz - Taseko - Chilko - Perkins Peak and back through Gang Ranch. It was incredible and a great excuse to put almost 2000 dirt km's on the BJ74. The route through China head was cleared for cruiser sized vehicles. Next time I'll be going with more trucks... it was spooky at some points as the only vehicle out there.

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Just replying to say this sounds awesome, won't be around for this but wish I could come along, have fun! I just got back from a 2week trip with the main routes being through mud lakes - poison mtn - china head - Schwartz - Taseko - Chilko - Perkins Peak and back through Gang Ranch. It was incredible and a great excuse to put almost 2000 dirt km's on the BJ74. The route through China head was cleared for cruiser sized vehicles. Next time I'll be going with more trucks... it was spooky at some points as the only vehicle out there.

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Solo. Only way to go! Nice!!
 
Great to read the comments above - I'm really looking forward to exploring with you all!
Unfortunately, the route I outlined in post #10 is looking less likely everyday with the Wild Fire Situation.
Boston Bar fire is affecting travel on Hwy1 (and a potential 1st night camp spot that I was discussing with Daryl, Greg & MikeR), and a new fire at Big Bar Lake that is burning on the route from Clinton to Gang Ranch.
Far more severe is the French Bar Creek fire which over the last few days burned north into the Empire Valley area through which our travel would pass.
It seems very unlikely there will be any improvements to the fire situation over the next week.
I'm proposing alternates further south along Hwy3, including (1) Whipsaw, (2) Placer Mtn area, (3) Nickel Plate area above Hedley, and (4) Valhalla region (off Hwy6, south of Nakusp). Options 1,2 & 3 can be combined if we want to stay closer to the Lower Mainland, and 3 & 4 can be combined if we want to venture further.
Please have a look at your maps and let's see what we can come up with; throw it on here so we can ponder!
We can finalize the itinerary at Cruiser Days when we're all together.
Talk soon
 
Hi looking forward to Cruiser Days and the trip, I actually took week off for this. My vote would be option 3,4 asi have not been out that way, but also very happy to do what ever is decided. Let’s play 🤪🤪
 
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