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^ measuring volts in 'series' is meaningless. The input impedance of the meter is typically in megohms and swamps any small 'resistance' it is in series with.

For grins I took a 100 ohm resistor in series with the one of my meters (set to voltage) and saw 12V (exactly what the power supply was set to). 100 ohm and 12V means about 120mA current. I then took a 1k resistor and replaced the 100 ohms and still measured 12V. 1k would be 12mA. This is what I know would occur, but not one to at do a bench test.

So, your method would show no difference between 12mA leakage current or 120mA leakage current. I could have put a 10ohm resistor in series and still seen 12V. Again, the meter's impedance is so high that essentially only uA flow, whether in series with 10 ohm, 100 ohm or 1k ohm.

10ohm would cause 1.2A to flow if it was across the battery - that's pretty high parasitic draw and your method would not be able to identify it being any different that 12mA with 1k ohms.

And this all goes to hell when it's not a pure resistance as the parasitic issue, but instead some active electronics that is misbehaving - which is most likely in our vehicles. With a meter on amps in series with the battery feed, your electronics is actually powering up completely and what you are then measuring is the true current flowing and you can decide if it is a problem or not. With a voltmeter in series you have no idea what the measurement is telling you - is it good, is it bad?

It's real simple. Measure current. Of course the meter in your picture doesn't have that capability... But do note your meter says High Impedance :)

I prefer using a DC clamp meter (that can resolve mA), it allows me to take measurements without have to undo cables/lugs/connectors. As long as I can put the clamp around the cable of interest I'm good to go.

If you don't have a meter that can measure amps, at least purchase a high power resistor (1 ohm and say 5W) and then you can use it as a shunt and measure the voltage across it. Measure 1V across it and you have 1A flowing through that 1 ohm resistor. Obviously this is for find parasitic levels of leakage current, not measuring high currents. You could use a 0.1ohm resistor and then just multiply your volt reading by 10 to get the amps flowing. etc etc.

The shunt resistance will of course cause a voltage drop (burden), so keep the resistor value low. Multimeters that have current measuring capability will have an internal shunt resistor that the meter measures the voltage across and does the math for you to display amps, mA etc. DC clamp meters are nice since they don't introduce a series resistance to your measurement and you can find models that can handle 100's of Amp.

I = V / R (amps = volts / ohms)

cheers,
george.
 
Three issues. Battery is bad - they are crap these days - load test it.
Alternator isn't putting out or the voltage regulator is bad - test them with a VOM.
You have a weak short in the system. The battery is draining through some circuit. Some switch has crap built up in side and electricity is leaking - ignition, head light, brake pedal, wiper.... and the voltage regulator. Some wire is rubbing threw. The back of the use box is corroded and conducting. Any plug could be corroded.

Take your battery ground cable off when not running until you find the problem - you drain a lead acid battery flat a few times it will be junk soon.

So a few weeks ago, I backing home. Get to my spot, mash in on the clutch and switch off the key - The engine keeps running - that's new. Never done that before in the 44 years I have owned it. Leave key off, put it in neutral - engine stops. I haven't done anything with lights in years. Mice, corrosion, bad wire switch? I'll fix it in the spring. I don't leave it in reverse and the battery stays charged.
My apologies for the delay, but work gets in the way.

So, using a voltmeter and with the engine off, the battery has a reading on 13.08. With the engine running, it shows a reading of 12.24.

Thoughts?
 
The charging systems isn't working. Probably the alternator. You should be getting around 14 volts with the engine running.
 
I'm assuming your fan belt is correctly tightened - if your alternator isn't working its often just brushes - cheap. If it's not working but also draining your battery there are probably diode issues, new alternator possibly cheaper.
 
I'm assuming your fan belt is correctly tightened - if your alternator isn't working it’s often just brushes - cheap. If it's not working but also draining your battery there are probably diode issues, new alternator possibly cheaper.
The belt is tightened appropriately. I have an old alternator I can swap out to see if anything changes. Otherwise, I’ll buy one from cityracer.
 
Do you have any manuals? Free downloads Land Cruiser Factory Service Manuals (FSMs) - https://www.cruisercult.com/factory-service-manuals

I like charging voltage around 14.4 V at the battery. So either the alternator or the voltage regulator isn't working. The manual shows how to test the system and how to perhaps adjust voltage regulator. I had to do that once because one of the contacts spot welded itself shut.
Thanks for the link Charlie. I’ll swap out the alternator and test the VR.
 
Quick update for you guys. I swapped out the alternator, no change in the readings, pretty much the same results.
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The voltage regulator is old and crusty, so I'll just order a new one. Im still going to test it as Charlie suggested, but I wanted to show what im working with. I also have a plug that I dont know where it belongs.
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I pulled the headlight switch and cluster to get a better look at connectors behind the dash. Gauge cluster looked good, but I have some funk going on with the headlight switch that im not 100% sure how to handle.View attachment 4073883View attachment 4073886View attachment 4073885

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Unfortunately, you probably need to start digging into your year-specific schematics, and start the tedious task of verifying and/or correcting your wiring. The variations you've discovered so far would be troubling to me.

My 79 required a great deal of rewiring to undo years of prior abuse and cobbling. Luckily, mine still had most of the original wiring with color-coding, that allowed me to mostly correct connections and repair/replace devices (switches, fuse block, etc.), rather than start from scratch.

That color-coding was extremely helpful in matching my existing wiring to the year-specific schematic, and helped me figure it all out. That, and a lot of blue tape to label as I went!

Good luck!

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I swapped the voltage regulator and installed a cityracer alternator. No change. 12.07 when running.

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Good news, with swapped parts, you now know you're not getting proper charging voltage at the alternator. So, you're probably back to a wiring and/or connection issue in the charging circuit.

Getting back to basics, you indicated you've had this non-charging issue for some time (after a few days of driving, the battery goes flat, requiring recharging).

Can you recall when this issue may have first been noticed, and were there any changes/fixes/circumstances that may be related to the first "battery going flat" issue? That may help you focus on a specific area that may have been affected.

Otherwise, I'd start going through your year wiring diagram to make sure you have it wired correctly and your connections are clean, including all you various grounds.

One final thought, on my 79 with a 50 amp alternator and built-in regulator, not only is there an output wire (+) that goes directly to the battery, but there is also a wire from the ignition switch that "excites" the alternator, allowing it to output the charging current. You may want to make sure you have that signal going to your alternator, if applicable to your year and setup.
 
Good news, with swapped parts, you now know you're not getting proper charging voltage at the alternator. So, you're probably back to a wiring and/or connection issue in the charging circuit.

Getting back to basics, you indicated you've had this non-charging issue for some time (after a few days of driving, the battery goes flat, requiring recharging).

Can you recall when this issue may have first been noticed, and were there any changes/fixes/circumstances that may be related to the first "battery going flat" issue? That may help you focus on a specific area that may have been affected.

Otherwise, I'd start going through your year wiring diagram to make sure you have it wired correctly and your connections are clean, including all you various grounds.

One final thought, on my 79 with a 50 amp alternator and built-in regulator, not only is there an output wire (+) that goes directly to the battery, but there is also a wire from the ignition switch that "excites" the alternator, allowing it to output the charging current. You may want to make sure you have that signal going to your alternator, if applicable to your year and setup.

It was running fine. I started to notice my “brake” light on the dash coming on randomly. Then my lights started to dim at night. Since the battery started dying, I figured it was due to the battery load falling.

My headlight switch isn’t stock. I bought the OEM switch but I’m waiting on coolermans harness to arrive so that I can install it and take it back to original. I doubt a bad headlight switch is killing my battery so fast though.

I’ll start cleaning the grounds and fuse panel tomorrow.
 
It was running fine. I started to notice my “brake” light on the dash coming on randomly. Then my lights started to dim at night. Since the battery started dying, I figured it was due to the battery load falling.

My headlight switch isn’t stock. I bought the OEM switch but I’m waiting on coolermans harness to arrive so that I can install it and take it back to original. I doubt a bad headlight switch is killing my battery so fast though.

I’ll start cleaning the grounds and fuse panel tomorrow.
Based on your latest test, not seeing proper charging voltage (13-14v) at the alternator, it would seem you're not charging the battery while running. The vehicle will run for a while that way, using the battery to deliver spark, then as the battery drains, your lights dim and your ignition fails.

So, it seems you have an issue there (not charging), but it also sounds like there are additional gremlins at play to produce the other weird symptoms you mentioned.

A proper fuse block would allow you to pull fuses to better isolate those, seemingly unrelated anomalies.

When I brought my 79 back to life, replacing the old, poorly wired fuse block and matching it to the year correct schematic was my first step. It was a tedious pain, but well worth the time to get it right.
 
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