Any buyer's remorse after getting the new 250?

[2021 LC200]

You made up an example of buyer's remorse. How does that, and insistently typing PRADO, help answer the original poster's question?

We have been trying to point out some important aspects. Have not heard any from you other than not liking our view points.

Talking range per one of the original thread questions, I understand the fuel tank of the 250 is 17.9 gallon and with real world fuel consumption due to its weight (curb at around 5600lbs of which hybrid motor and battery adds in around 380 lbs) and square design does not look like change to a consistent 400 to 500 mile per tank world, from 200’s getting 250 to 300 miles. There is ofcourse a 12.5 LRA option on the 200.

Do we know a smaller like 12.5 LRA tank would fit on a US 250 or can be made to work while leaving the spare in the same spot?

 

[Zill]

Oh well, try this for size. I had a 200 and heard about the "new Land Cruiser" coming to the US. WOW. Awesome. That is what I wanted - not the end of the LC in the States. I immediately jump on it, trusting Toyota this is the "new LC". Yes! Oh, no. It feels a bit different than my 200 now. More like my wife's GX460, not even that because it is so light and denty...maybe my old 4Runner but with a buzzy engine or a big RAV4. Yes, that is what is feels. But wait. I bought the "new Land Cruiser". What happened Toyota?? Well, sorry, gotcha! It is actually a PRADO, but do not worry in the US it will still be the "new LC". Now I want my bank vault, hefty feeling, V8 roar back. I was tricked by Toyota's marketing. Is that enough remorse to pass your muster and be allowed in this thread? What ya think?

News flash, the LX 600 doesn’t offer that either.

Cars can’t be built like the 200 series due to government regulation and striving for maximum efficiency.

It’s the end of an era, but the 250 is still a very good product when you look at the package as a whole, and you compare it against other auto makers offerings.

 

[2021 LC200]

Obviously there is the need for premium fuel which reduces any fuel costs benefits

 

[2021 LC200]

News flash, the LX 600 doesn’t offer that either.

Cars can’t be built like the 200 series due to government regulation and striving for maximum efficiency.

It’s the end of an era, but the 250 is still a very good product when you look at the package as a whole, and you compare it against other auto makers offerings.

At least you get a 3.5 liter V6.

I have nothing against the 250 Prado other than false marketing and elimination of choices we had before.

 

[Zill]

At least you get a 3.5 liter V6.

I have nothing against the 250 Prado other than false marketing and elimination of choices we had before.

The 3.4 TTV6 has its problems and should not be something that you want in your rig right now.

The spun bearing problem is no joke when it costs 30k to address. What a great way to mechanically total a vehicle at 100k miles and out of warranty… That’s worse than Teslas with their 20k battery replacement cost.

 

[2021 LC200]

The 3.4 TTV6 has its problems and should not be something that you want in your rig right now.

The spun bearing problem is no joke when it costs 30k to address. What a great way to total a vehicle at 100k miles and out of warranty…

You think Toyota does not know how to design or build engines and correct this problem?

Together with other problems like the gear box attached to the 4 cylinder Toyota is going through a low on quality at this point. Another aspect to be very aware off going for a 250.

 

[Zill]

You think Toyota does not know how to design or build engines and correct this problem?

Considering it took them 2.5 years to somewhat address it? And there are still cases of the problem manifesting after the “fix”? Yes, I do think Toyota dropped the ball on this engine design.

 

[2021 LC200]

Considering it took them 2.5 years to somewhat address it? And there is still cases of the problem manifesting after the “fix”? Yes, I do think Toyota dropped the ball on this engine design.

I think they do know how to design good engines and therefore do believe manufacturing swarf is a likely root cause instead of not knowing how to design bearings.

I know from other threads you do not believe that swarf is the reason and they just made it up. I think it is actually quite a plausible explanation, more so than Toyota inability to design crankshafts and bearings for the same. We can ofcourse all believe in different things and express those.

 

[Zill]

I think they do know how to design good engines and therefore do believe manufacturing swarf is a likely root cause instead of not knowing how to design bearings.

I know from other threads you do not believe that swarf is the reason and they just made it up. I think it is actually quite a plausible explanation, more so than Toyota inability to design crankshafts and bearings for the same. We can ofcourse all believe in different things and express those.

If it was truly manufacturing debris, how is it still occurring after they knew about the issue for so long? You’re telling me the biggest auto manufacturer doesn’t know how to clean out engine blocks for years after the launch of their engine. What?

The smoking gun is they changed and updated the part numbers on the affected bearings.

 

[2021 LC200]

If it was truly manufacturing debris, how is it still occurring after they knew about the issue for so long? You’re telling me the biggest auto manufacturer doesn’t know how to clean out engine blocks for years after the launch of their engine. What?

The smoking gun is they changed and updated the part numbers on the affected bearings.

I have dealt with swarf issues from machined pieces in equipment. This can be a function of a challenging design to manufacture as well. So telling me the bearing design itself is an issue I see as a whole lot less likely than the swarf issue potentially due to a (too?) complex design. But hey, there maybe more. However I have not concluded what you have. Hope you respect that.

 

[rexington14]

Obviously there is the need for premium fuel which reduces any fuel costs benefits

The LX570 which comprises the majority of 200's on the road (as LX570 significantly outsold the LC) also requires premium

 

[Zill]

I have dealt with swarf issues from machined pieces in equipment. This can be a function of a challenging design to manufacture as well. So telling me the bearing design itself is an issue I see as a whole lot less likely than the swarf issue potentially due to a (too?) complex design. But hey, there maybe more. However I have not concluded what you have. Hope you respect that.

So why would they change the bearing part if it wasn’t an issue?

 

[Zill]

Well, can't they though? I get that from an engine perspective and killing the V8, but the overall feeling of the 200 is not only due to the engine. Build quality, materials, construction, etc all that can still be reproduced today without breaking any govt rules. I sure hope so, when I see that monstrosity Cybertruck from Tesla chopping fingers and looking like it can slice a pedestrian in half. The cheap feeling of the Prado does not come from govt rules. I have heard the LX600 is not as well built as the 200 (not sure on this one though, since I never sat in a 600 - others might chime in).

Because the mass populace would not be able to afford it, and in turn, won’t be a profitable endeavor for Toyota.

Yes, the 600 is also built to inferior build standards compared to the 570 to meet the budgeted price point.

People have much less purchasing power than they had not too long ago, and they had to cut some corners here and there to make it work. It’s sad, but that’s the reality.

It also goes back to the regulations aspect and inherent compromises. That high level of 200 build quality is at a sacrifice of adding a ton of weight. When you have an EPA saying you need to meet XYZ CAFE standards, auto manufactures are forced to make a lighter product.

 

[2021 LC200]

So why would they change the bearing part if it wasn’t an issue?

You have that info? Be interesting to share. Also to see what was actually changed.

Regarding bearing design, this is well known. Information is out there explaining the aspects involved. They may have changed some features of the block design and oil paths to facilitate easier manufacturing and had to change the position of the oil ports on the bearings. I still conclude for now (meaning without further information which makes sense) Toyota knows how to design bearings and that the manufacturing swarf issue is quite plausible.

Crankshaft Design, Materials, Loads and Manufacturing, by EPI Inc.

 

[2021 LC200]

DL819, did you buy a 250 and have some likes or dislikes?

 

[lcgeek]

Buyer's remorse in the thread title - does that mean people replying in here who actually bought and now have remorse or also for those who didn't buy and have no remorse but would have some if they did?

 

[joekatana]

Are you serious? PRADO is the worldwide name used for the 150 and now 250. Your example is the exact opposite. Amazon is anything but worldwide, so why should I use it if I am not in the UK? Come on...

Just fyi the 70 , 90 , 120 and 150 where always sold in Europe badged as Land Cruiser never as a Prado . Doesn't matter what we call it , I was way more excited when the FJ Cruiser came out then the 250 . When I was at the Toyota Jamboree earlier this year Toyota was there with several 250's in different colors , they had 4 of them parked near the pavilion and it wasn't until I was about 50 ft away that I noticed that one of the 4 was actually a 4Runner .

 

[rexington14]

Buyer's remorse in the thread title - does that mean people replying in here who actually bought and now have remorse or also for those who didn't buy and have no remorse but would have some if they did?

The former is way more productive rather than playing pretend and making stuff up, wouldn't you think? Thankfully the mods have cleaned up most of the troll posts in this thread.

 

[2021 LC200]

Just fyi the 70 , 90 , 120 and 150 where always sold in Europe badged as Land Cruiser never as a Prado . Doesn't matter what we call it , I was way more excited when the FJ Cruiser came out then the 250 . When I was at the Toyota Jamboree earlier this year Toyota was there with several 250's in different colors , they had 4 of them parked near the pavilion and it wasn't until I was about 50 ft away that I noticed that one of the 4 was actually a 4Runner .

I think the truth on the badging in Europe is somewhere in the middle and perhaps for some significant or even proof it is fine or great what Toyota did here in the US.

For along time they also had in Europe the Prado badge and a review shows of cars sold online that the removal of the Prado badge indeed started in Europe and depending on country somewhere in the period 2010 to 2015. Still websites and sales adverts show it often as the Land Cruiser Prado and Toyota themselves shows it as the Land Cruiser Prado line upto and including the 150. What it is called in Africa, South America, Middle East and Australia matter in my mind as well and as such it is known as the Prado, with its own good legacy.

What stung me is that they claim here (US/Canada) that the Land Cruiser has returned. What they have done is given us the light duty line and that leaves many of us real disappointed and many of us real excited as they wanted something smaller lighter duty in any case.

The capability and drive train changes and more complex tech remains worth a discussion as well. Know what you get into and consider your choices.

For me it will remain being a Prado or a light duty SUV and as pointed out, a Cayman does not suddenly become a 911 or a 3 series and 5 series.

What about DL819 and Rex14 shine some light on their experience with the 250 series? Or they do not own one and just want to complaint what we write. Bring your own points dudes.

 

[joekatana]

I think the truth on the badging in Europe is somewhere in the middle and perhaps for some significant or even proof it is fine or great what Toyota did here in the US.

For along time they also had in Europe the Prado badge and a review shows of cars sold online that the removal of the Prado badge indeed started in Europe and depending on country somewhere in the period 2010 to 2015. Still websites and sales adverts show it often as the Land Cruiser Prado and Toyota themselves shows it as the Land Cruiser Prado line upto and including the 150. What it is called in Africa, South America, Middle East and Australia matter in my mind as well and as such it is known as the Prado, with its own good legacy.

What stung me is that they claim here (US/Canada) that the Land Cruiser has returned. What they have done is given us the light duty line and that leaves many of us real disappointed and many of us real excited as they wanted something smaller lighter duty in any case.

The capability and drive train changes and more complex tech remains worth a discussion as well. Know what you get into and consider your choices.

For me it will remain being a Prado or a light duty SUV and as pointed out, a Cayman does not suddenly become a 911 or a 3 series and 5 series.

What about DL819 and Rex14 shine some light on their experience with the 250 series? Or they do not own one and just want to complaint what we write. Bring your own points dudes.

I have been driving diesel cruisers for 30 years and am importing diesel cruisers from Europe to the US for about 15 years now . The Prado name was never used in Europe , every 70 90 120 and 150 sold new in Europe trough Toyota of Europe was always a land cruiser , the few Prado’s you find there came in trough grey import and central america had these same models labeled as prado .

As far as being a “light duty” you are correct but I consider every cruiser with a gas motor light duty , trow a automatic behind that and it is already a big different from the HD turbo diesel manual trans we see everywhere else in the world .

In the netherlands the 250 comes with the new 2.8td engine but automatic . Price tag is to be expected to be around 120k because of added taxes .