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so just finished my 4th BSA weekend camporee! but this time i had both my boys, and we all had a blast! and we just finished setting the tents up in the building to dry. It is nice to see not only my sons but also the other boys in the troop getting more and more self reliant! now to get ready for BBRC'S Fall Crawl!:clap:
 
I will always apreciate my time, and the invaluable skills acquired, in the Boy Scouts of America. I am a proud Eagle scout and can't wait for my boys to be old enough to partisipate. My dad was the scout master for some of the time while I was in scouting and it was some of the best time I ever spent with him.
 
Ditto

Did the same with our troop here. First camporee with the troop and son at the local state park. Rain projected but none showed. A bit gray and cool but it all worked out well. The cardboard boat races were a hoot. Thinking about the next outing; geocaching, I think. Thinking about pulling out the Dutch oven for the next scheduled camp out in nov. I hope you guys will get another camping date this fall. They go by pretty fast.
Best regards, ty
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Another scout leader here. I have three Boys in scouts. Two are boys scouts. One is a Webelo. Wife is pack committee chair. Im an ASM and COR for both units. Last weekend was our big weekend. Next event is in Nov.
 
well they have another fall camporee, on the same dates as the fall crawl so i ask the boys which one they wanted to go to, they chose fall crawl, so that is where we are going, also i am not a leader just a volunteering parent. but we do have the Klondike derby, that should be a good one this year.
 
Boy Scouts weren't really a "thing" in Montana where I grew up. I suppose it's just expected that you know how to build a fire, shoot a bow, fish, etc. Like having a running camp in Ethiopia?

Now that I live in Utah it's kind of a big deal, but it's basically an arm of the Mormon church. Everything is done through the local Mormon church. I'm certain that there is a good amount of proselytizing as part of the program. So that essentially means only Mormon kids are boy scouts. I don't see how this type of program could function somewhere else where 60% of the population aren't the same religion.

Is that common where you guys live? Is the BSA an arm of the local majority religious group?
 
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i think if you took your boy to a meeting they would not stop him from joining, all of the troops in my area are sponsored by churches, i do not know if a church has to sponsor a troop but i do now to get chartered you have to have a sponsor.
 
i think if you took your boy to a meeting they would not stop him from joining, all of the troops in my area are sponsored by churches, i do not know if a church has to sponsor a troop but i do now to get chartered you have to have a sponsor.



I was mostly curious as to whether BSA is quasi-religious everywhere or just locally. I had never thought of it as an arm of a religious organization, probably because they are basically non-existent where I grew up.

Can any church sponsor a troop? For example could an Islamic or Jewish church sponsor?

Edit: After some research it does appear that any religion including Islam and Buddhists meet the qualifications for BSA. There's even an International Union of Muslim Scouts. I learn something new everyday.
 
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I was mostly curious as to whether BSA is quasi-religious everywhere or just locally. I had never thought of it as an arm of a religious organization, probably because they are basically non-existent where I grew up.

Can any church sponsor a troop? For example could an Islamic or Jewish church sponsor?

Edit: After some research it does appear that any religion including Islam and Buddhists meet the qualifications for BSA. There's even an International Union of Muslim Scouts. I learn something new everyday.

Eagle Scout in '72 and a retired adult leader after over 10 years as an ASM, Outdoor Chairman, Advancement Chairman, etc.

Regarding my views on BSA and religion. The mormon church, from what I've heard, does control a good portion of scouting and has a plan for exiting if they so choose. Had a very informativeand interesting conversation with a group of adult leaders from a mormon troop during leader training years ago. They do run things a little different. First and foremost, they don't have to do any fund raising as it's all funded by the church. From what I was told, 'all' boys are 'required' to join scouts so there's no recruiting either. They do bug out of any joint campouts, like Camporee to be home Sunday for church, but that's about it and understandable. Very little other interaction between mormon troops and other troops in our district.

On the subject of sponsors, any organization can be a sponsor from what I know. Seems to me though that most are now in churches because of limited or no access to be able to meet at school community rooms, etc. these days and perhaps because of the continuing uproar of BSA using public facilities given certain positions that BSA holds (gays in particular I think). My troop met at a local school community room when I was a kid.

Reverence is the 12th point in the scout law. Emphasis on religion, I believe is up to each troop, their sponsor and their leaders. While I never view troops as a church outreach program, some do. Both my troop as a kid and as an adult held scouting's version of church on Sunday morning called Scouts Own. There's so much more to scouting than religion IMHO. I hope it doesn't become a devisive issue. It shouldn't. You found your answer about BSA embracing different religions. Religion in BSA is not just about Christianity and that's good.

I'll stop there so this thread doesn't get moved to Chat/Religion.

I thoroughly enjoyed the campouts my son and I went on while he was involved, so much that I stayed on as an adult leader for another 5 years after he quit. I dont'miss the weekly meetings, but we went on some type of outing/campout every month. Kept us busy and very active as a troop. I miss those campouts and summer camp too!
 
Neither my troop as a kid, nor my son's troop were sponsored by a church. Both were sponsored by Kiwanis. My son's troop meets at a church, but that is nearly coincidental. The troop does get a reasonable amount of volunteer work out of the deal.

Nick has finished all the requirements of his Eagle Scout and is just waiting on his Eagle Scout board of review. We are very proud of him.

Our family is not religious and we did have to write a religious statement for his Eagle Scout requirements. The jist was "we treat spirituality as a personal matter".

The Mormon's being involved with scouting is one of the least weird things they ever do.
 
Neither my troop as a kid, nor my son's troop were sponsored by a church. Both were sponsored by Kiwanis. My son's troop meets at a church, but that is nearly coincidental. The troop does get a reasonable amount of volunteer work out of the deal.

Nick has finished all the requirements of his Eagle Scout and is just waiting on his Eagle Scout board of review. We are very proud of him.

Our family is not religious and we did have to write a religious statement for his Eagle Scout requirements. The jist was "we treat spirituality as a personal matter".

The Mormon's being involved with scouting is one of the least weird things they ever do.

congrats to your son, i hope to one day be typing those same words on here! :clap:
 
Nick has finished all the requirements of his Eagle Scout and is just waiting on his Eagle Scout board of review. We are very proud of him.

First and foremost, congrats to your son on his accomplishment. Just like the Marines say once a Marine, always a Marine and the fact that there are no ex-Marines. Same holds true for Eagle Scouts. You will always be an Eagle scout! You really dont realize the significance of it as a youth, but it is significant!

Second, let him know the absolute hardest part of the Eagle Board will be he alone leading the Pledge, then doing the Scout Oath, Scout Law and Outdoor Code. If he has those cold, he'll be just fine. We have one stickler on the Scout sign - keep that arm at a tight 90 degrees!!! Be smart and attentive to board questions. No harm in taking time to think about answers.
 
Neither my troop as a kid, nor my son's troop were sponsored by a church. Both were sponsored by Kiwanis. My son's troop meets at a church, but that is nearly coincidental. The troop does get a reasonable amount of volunteer work out of the deal.

Nick has finished all the requirements of his Eagle Scout and is just waiting on his Eagle Scout board of review. We are very proud of him.

Our family is not religious and we did have to write a religious statement for his Eagle Scout requirements. The jist was "we treat spirituality as a personal matter".

The Mormon's being involved with scouting is one of the least weird things they ever do.

Congrats to your son Eddy, that's something to be extra proud of.

We had our first webelo camp out a few weeks ago. Started with about 30 tents. Thanks to smartphones everyone saw the major thunderstorm coming and 3/4 of them bailed. We hung in there. Eureka tent did fabulous, not a drop.
I got the second worse case of chiggers i have ever had for my efforts. lol:hillbilly:
 
The Mormon's being involved with scouting is one of the least weird things they ever do.

Have you ever thought that some people on this board might be LDS? That's a pretty offensive statement.

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Have you ever thought that some people on this board might be LDS? That's a pretty offensive statement.

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You cant expect much from people who are ignorant.
 
You cant expect much from people who are ignorant.

Perhaps just in some areas? We each define weird in our own way.

I personally learned alot about how scouting is different between LDS troops and ours. Outside of the activities, they did keep to themselves and 'camped out' in a 40+ foot motorhome instead of tents like the rest of us at our training session! We found that iritating as did the folks running the two weekend sessions. A nicely worded email about the camraderie of the patrol method, etc. found them in tents with the rest of us weekend #2. :D
 
Perhaps just in some areas? We each define weird in our own way.

I personally learned alot about how scouting is different between LDS troops and ours. Outside of the activities, they did keep to themselves and 'camped out' in a 40+ foot motorhome instead of tents like the rest of us at our training session! We found that iritating as did the folks running the two weekend sessions. A nicely worded email about the camraderie of the patrol method, etc. found them in tents with the rest of us weekend #2. :D

Well I can't say much for your area, but I got my eagle through troops in Utah (LDS) and never once slept in a motor home.

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Well I can't say much for your area, but I got my eagle through troops in Utah (LDS) and never once slept in a motor home.

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LOL! This was adult leaders in the motorhome during leader training. No scouts in attendance. :D
 
Fast Eddy, congrats on your son. Sitting in on Eagle Boards is one of the best parts of being a Scout leader. For years you think those knuckle-heads aren't learning anything, then out of the blue you realize how much they've really taken to heart.

Brent, as a Scoutmaster of an LDS troop here in AZ, I can't stick up for the motorhome crowd, there is no excuse for that. I have done both outdoor leader training with overnight backpacking, and Woodbadge. Lack of training is a constant battle with the LDS troops due to leader turnover, as is small troop size and some other quirky things they do. But they sponsor a large number of troops, and back the Scouts when popular "PC" sentiment puts the Scouts out of favor.

I've been involved in Scout leadership for most of the last 15 years. We go on about 10 camps per year, and have Camporee this weekend.
 
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