AHC + Suspension Enhancement System

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uHu is pretty much on the money about how the trade-offs work.

The bottom line is that the AHC is good for maybe 608kg on top of unladen mass. If you exceed this additional load WHEN IT TRIES TO LEVEL THE VEHICLE - which is not all the time (e.g. not every time more load comes on the hitch from the trailer when off-roading) - just when it is sitting still for a while or when moving between L-N-H, then it will get overpressure in the AHC and go back to L mode.

With AHC you can't overload the vehicle - simple as that.

Now, if some of the weight is from bars and tanks and things and is usually on the vehicle, you can beef up the springs and torsion bars to help out and get some or all of that AHC carrying capacity back.

If you go from unladen to +608kg regularly then conventional suspension setup will be more predictable and remember trailer hitch load is not on the AHC dampers directly - the hitch is some distance back from the wheels giving more of a leverage effect for that load.

If one were also to adjust the height sensors one might want to look for uprated springs that were also longer (e.g. for appropriately high lifted vehicles), but as uHu mentioned travel of the AHC dampers can become an issue. To my knowledge no one makes longer AHC dampers or for that matter heavier dampers or stronger spheres. I have spoken with the guy in the UK about making them, but he was sceptical about the concept and thought there were too many other potential issues that would arise - it is an engineered system at present with a lot of complex moving parts and a computer we can't get inside of.

For wilsil, I think you should get your AHC pressures checked with an without your KK - not hard to do. Buy one of those Mini-VCI - needs an old WIndows XP laptop to work. Then you can decide whether inexpensive rear coils and/or ratcheting up your torsion bars might help. If you haven't done it, you should.
 
For wilsil, I think you should get your AHC pressures checked with an without your KK - not hard to do. Buy one of those Mini-VCI - needs an old WIndows XP laptop to work. Then you can decide whether inexpensive rear coils and/or ratcheting up your torsion bars might help. If you haven't done it, you should.

The LX470 doesn't use the ODBC code so the Mini-VCI doesn't work.
 
Thank you all for your feedback. Wow! What an excellent amount of suggestion and constructive discussion regarding the AHC.

After going back and forth and doing some due diligence, I have decided to use the suspension in-coils Air Bags in conjunction with the Timbrens rubber stoppers. Here is my reasoning;

As many of you have suggested, the AHC would need some type of ‘support’ in order to function properly. Too much weight simply crushes the system down. Since I am having this problem only during towing my Travel Trailer, I need a solution that would mostly be applicable during towing and somewhat non-existent if not towing. Beefier replacement coil springs together with the existing AHC system is a partial solution as it would result to unnecessary bumpy and/or stiff ride when the trailer is unhitched.

With the Air bags, I will only inflate them during towing. This way, they will compensate for the extra weight and AHC will still be able to function as needed. Once I unhook the trailer, I will deflate the Air Bag system to the recommended minimum pressure settings. Thus, the Coil springs will take over the natural trucks weight. Again, the AHC will be functioning as needed. End results is, I will have the natural plush ride.

I am leaning towards these two options; Firestone 4124 and Air Lift 60728.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F15YYA/?tag=ihco-20
http://www.amazon.com/Firestone-W237604124-Coil-Rite-Kit/dp/B00445P2RS/?tag=ihco-20

However, just like any competitive product, there are pros and cons associated with each. The Air Lift has the connection air nozzle at the bottom while Firestone has the connection on top. Also, it appears that the Air Lift 60728 application isn’t available for my 2006 LX. Not quite sure why but the compatibility chart shows Lexus LX up to model year 2002. Whereas, the LC application is from ‘98-’06.

To cut the long story short, Firestone 4124 is listed as the only compatible Air bag system that would work with my ’06 LX.

I am on the fence and just about to pull the trigger on the Firestone 4124. A majority of members on here (LC owners) have the Air Lift set up. Of which they marvel its reliability and functionality. Could someone please confirm that Air Lift would indeed work with my ’06 LX.

Thanks.
 
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PK - please update this thread with progress on the airbag setup. I may follow suit dependent upon the results you experience. Do you have any after market products that add significant weight such as bumpers, winch, etc? As I mentioned prior I'm planning to add quite a bit of aftermarket equipment that will do just that and am concerned about how that will impact the AHC even with airbags.
 
I can't see why the Air Lift wont work on an 06 when it will on an O2... Maybe some minor thing with a bracket or routing for the plumbing. Have you tried calling them and asking?

Airbags are conceptually a good solution if you're mostly touring, AND if you route the hoses to be free to handle maximum articulation including on H...

I saw a second hand set for sale at Oriental 4x4 wreckers down here but interesting that they had a few cuts from pinching ... Although inexpensive I'm not hugely inspired by them.

You would need to pump them up prior to starting the car after putting the trailer on...

Cheers,
Andrew
 
I appreciate the information in this post. Just curious, what are the downside to the Dinibli's solution to overweight ahc systems? Has anyone else tried it?
https://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/94903-au-epistle-overweight-lx-470s-lcs-ahc-part-1-a.html

I might at some stage but for now I have a load capacity that should address my needs... $2500-3000 for something that failure on a remote bush track would mean a bumpstops ride home also doesn't enthuse me...
 
Follow Up

Picture below shows how low my LX was with the Travel Trailer Hooked up.




As seen, the AHC would stay on ‘L’ while the coil spring bumpers took the beating in support of the whole weight against the axle.
 
Anyway, after much speculation back and forth, I decided to go with Air Lift1000 Air Bag system.


I dropped the passenger side axle, removed the shock absorber lower bolt then the coil springs slide out very easily.



As for the driver side, I thought it would be much easier to leave the coil spring in place. So I simply removed the bumper stopper then somehow managed to get the hand drill on there without disassembling anything.

 
Also, with the help of a step drill, I created a larger Air Bag nipple opening (1-1/32 to be exact). In a folded position, the bag effortlessly slide right in between the Coil Spring.




For added protection, I inserted the Air bag kit tubing inside a ¼ Rubber Fuel Hose. This way, heat or any other elements would be mitigated from possibly destroying the tubing.
 
As for the two Schrader valves, I created a special plate that attaches to the 7-pin Towing Adapter bracket.


 
With only 18psi on each bag, the truck is 100% level with my Travel Trailer. AHC now has the support it needed and has stayed on ‘N’ ever since. Handling is much better on those curves. I have towed this trailer for over 1000 miles now with the current set up and I couldn’t be happier.

If you are still on the fence, don’t even sweat about it. This has to be the best $90 I have spent on my LX.

 
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Nice work PK and welcome to the Reprobates Club (us recalcitrant types who keep their AHC working).

It would be good to know what your AHC neutral pressures are - particularly rear.

If you were to use neutral pressures as a guide with and without the trailer on you could determine the optimum air pressures to use to keep the best AHC performance towing and not. Of course if fronts are high too (if you have a weight distribution hitch for example) then adjusting torsion bars would be appropriate too.
 
Great thread! Can't believe I missed it until now as I routinely tow my cars on dolly's to track days.

I completely agree with the eventual decision you've made. Though I'm surprised with the amount of tongue weight you're seeing with a 5000lb (dry?) TT.

I've gone through and re-calibrated the AHC system on my '06 recently and found the springs all around to be sagging, putting the AHC neutral pressures just outside of spec. I agree with Actualeyes that you may want to check your neutral pressures.

If it's anything like the other examples I've seen, you will want to crank the front torsion bars 3 full turns. And while not necessary now that you have bags, you could put in 10mm spacers in the rear springs and you should be smack back in spec.

Looking great btw!
 
I have searched, but I can't find the thread on where to but the 10mm rear spacers. Anyone?

Try "Toyota of Dallas" used to also go by TRD parts for U or something like that, you want "trim packer part # OME80PR10" most sites list them for 80 series, fit perfectly in 100 too.

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