2H/12HT Engine mount ID

[LimitingFactor]

I have 2 sets of 2H engine mounts. I set was mounted on the 2H I bought which came out of a 60 series. I have another set which I was told came out of an HJ47. Since I will be putting the 2H into a 40 series I needed the HJ47 mounts. Looking at both the 60 and 40 series mounts side by side I am not sure I truly do have a complete set of 40 series mounts. If anyone can confirm that would be great. The left hand side mounts are obviously different, however the right hand side mounts look to be the same for the 40/60 series chassis.
The cleaned mounts in the pictures are supposed to be out of a HJ47 and the dirty mounts are from a 60 series

 

[duncanrm]

Unfortunately the 60 series mounts changed in late 1985.. and the later right hand side will NOT work with a 40 series, only pre late 1985 will work.

You appear to have the left hand side mount sorted, but I think you have two late 60 series right hand side mounts.


Here's an image that may help.

 

[duncanrm]

And another angle.

 

[duncanrm]

For what its worth, I've found some variation in the early left hand side 60 series mounts.. all of the angles are still correct and all will work but there are some differences with power steering pump mounting position. If you intend to use power steering you'll need to pair it with a matching power steering pump idler pulley - I havent documented the specific differences yet but I will.


Personally, I think power steering is overrated and unnecessarily complicates the 40 series, it causes radiator bottom hose clearance issues and its just more engine bay clutter.

 

[LimitingFactor]

And another angle.

Perfect, thank you. Just what I was looking for.

 

[Greek Cruiserhead]

...If you intend to use power steering you'll need to pair it with a matching power steering pump idler pulley - I havent documented the specific differences yet but I will.

Personally, I think power steering is overrated and unnecessarily complicates the 40 series, it causes radiator bottom hose clearance issues and its just more engine bay clutter.

Intending to keep the original P/S setup in my FJ45, but swapping a 2H (late version/post 1985): just waiting for your documentation!
Thank you for the great info mate!

 

[duncanrm]

Intending to keep the original P/S setup in my FJ45, but swapping a 2H (late version/post 1985): just waiting for your documentation!
Thank you for the great info mate!

I believe the below images are correct.

So you need 3 pieces to all match to get a 2H with Power Steering into a 40 series using HJ60 parts.

1. Early HJ60 right hand side engine mount
2. Early HJ60 Power Steering Pump/Idler bracket (Toyota Part No: 44443-60030)
3. 6 Bolt Power Steering Pump.

I dont know if its possible to make a "4 bolt" hj60 pump and associated "late" bracket/mount work in a 40 series with the early HJ60 engine mount.. It might be.. but I know using all early HJ60 stuff does work.


The two types of HJ60 power steering pump mounts.

Early HJ60 engine mount and power steering pump mount in place with pump

A "6 Bolt" HJ60 Power Steering pump

 

[duncanrm]

Also for completeness.. Here's a standard HJ47 Right Hand side mount with no power steering mount options at all..

 

[duncanrm]

And note that the two style of mounts (Late HJ60 and Early HJ60/HJ47) require different rubber engine mounts.. the guide pin/dowel and bolt hole are arranged differently on the two types.

 

[Greek Cruiserhead]

I believe the below images are correct.

So you need 3 pieces to all match to get a 2H with Power Steering into a 40 series using HJ60 parts.

1. Early HJ60 right hand side engine mount
2. Early HJ60 Power Steering Pump/Idler bracket (Toyota Part No: 44443-60030)
3. 6 Bolt Power Steering Pump.

I dont know if its possible to make a "4 bolt" hj60 pump and associated "late" bracket/mount work in a 40 series with the early HJ60 engine mount.. It might be.. but I know using all early HJ60 stuff does work.


The two types of HJ60 power steering pump mounts.

Early HJ60 engine mount and power steering pump mount in place with pump

A "6 Bolt" HJ60 Power Steering pump

Thank you so much @duncanrm, your contribution can be decisive for all of us intending this 2H swap! 🦘

Have a question: what about the LEFT hand side engine mount? must be early HJ60 as well, or may be late HJ60?
I have easy access to a late HJ60...

Unfortunately, I can not see any of the four (4) pictures you added here: for some reason they cannot be uploaded... 🙁

Thank you again and...
Demetrios

 

[duncanrm]

Thank you so much @duncanrm, your contribution can be decisive for all of us intending this 2H swap! 🦘

Have a question: what about the LEFT hand side engine mount? must be early HJ60 as well, or may be late HJ60?
I have easy access to a late HJ60...

Left hand side must be early as well.



The images are fairly large which may be your problem in this thread. If you go to my 2H page here Toyota Diesel Documentation - https://sites.google.com/view/toyotadiesel/home and scroll down to "HJ47/HJ60 Engine Mounts" I've got all the photos on a Google Drive .. maybe they'll load better there.

 

[LimitingFactor]

I believe the below images are correct.

So you need 3 pieces to all match to get a 2H with Power Steering into a 40 series using HJ60 parts.

1. Early HJ60 right hand side engine mount
2. Early HJ60 Power Steering Pump/Idler bracket (Toyota Part No: 44443-60030)
3. 6 Bolt Power Steering Pump.

I dont know if its possible to make a "4 bolt" hj60 pump and associated "late" bracket/mount work in a 40 series with the early HJ60 engine mount.. It might be.. but I know using all early HJ60 stuff does work.


The two types of HJ60 power steering pump mounts.

Early HJ60 engine mount and power steering pump mount in place with pump

A "6 Bolt" HJ60 Power Steering pump

What specifically about a 4 bolt PS pump makes it not compatible in a 40 series. I rebuilt the one which came with my 2H and I was hoping to use it again.

 

[duncanrm]

I believe you'll need to do some work with an angle grinder on your engine mount for it to work. (the metal plate that sandwiches the rubber block).. do please report back and I'll update all my photos.

Also dont forget your bottom radiator outlet will also foul on the pump (both versions), it'll require a change to the outlet angle.

 

[duncanrm]

PS.. the pump look great! Good work.

 

[duncanrm]

I notice some photos are now broken .. sorry..

Full image collection here: 2H Engine Mounts HJ60 - https://photos.app.goo.gl/MyJD7mcHAn4dA5Nr7

 

[Dylan Bill]

hey whats the part number for the pre85 rhs mount for p/s where they all power steering ? i have looked on toyota parts system and it just doesnt seem right cheers currently doing a 12ht swap in my fj45 troopy
also would like the part number for a early bellhousing hj60 if you know cheers ?

 

[duncanrm]

hey whats the part number for the pre85 rhs mount for p/s where they all power steering ? i have looked on toyota parts system and it just doesnt seem right cheers currently doing a 12ht swap in my fj45 troopy
also would like the part number for a early bellhousing hj60 if you know cheers ?

All early 60 right hand mounts are the same, all 60s had power steering. The images shown on the Toyota Parts Systems/Megazip etc are often generic and not exactly representative of the specific part. The part number for the right hand mount on an early 60 is 12311-68010