Absolutely. When you have to accelerate quickly in the rain, full time 4WD does it without any drama.
2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)
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My guess is that the 4R ends up being the same thing as the LC250 with 3 rows and overlaps in price. 4R goes from $45-60k. LC250 is $55-65. And my other guess is that 4Runner again kills the Land Cruiser because - who's going to pay $10k more for the same thing? Especially if the 4R has 3 rows, KDSS(?), fox or OME bypass shocks, and a non-hybrid model with full cargo volume and probably more payload and towing capacity.
Toyota tried that with the 5th gen 4Runner. They discontinued it after MY 2010. But there are some 2.7 MY 2010 4Runners out there. They only offered them in 2wd with a 4 speed AT. If you never needed to go fast, I think the 2.7 would be perfectly fine. It's just not powerful enough for highway speeds. Otherwise, with the 8AT it should be good for lots of places.
I don't think reliability is life or death anymore though. Not very many places in the world are as remote as they once were. Most of Africa has cell service or common radio use. And with starlink and even the iPhone 14 or higher - if you can afford a new LC, you can also afford a satellite connection for emergencies. Breaking down being life or death isn't really a thing anymore except for very very few situations. I think the 2.7 is mostly just a way to offer a low cost option - both to buy and to own long term, not really a reliability improvement choice.
Of course they do. This vehicle is great, all things considered. Everything from the TNGA platform is great, all things considered
If you look at the FB groups it's a bunch of negativity as well. A bunch of stupid jokes about how the world is pretty much over because the Land Cruiser doesn't have a lift gate. As if we haven't been seeing those jokes since the release date of the 300.
At least here on Mud people can articulate their irrational complaints.
It's only a mild hybrid, basically a big starter motor installed between the engine and transmission that can give some kicks. No driving only on electrical.
I think
One way they can attact 200 owners who don't want to switch to a 250
Is release a triple locked over trail LX600
I seem to recall reading or hearing some places that it might happen.
It'll cost alot of money though. Alot.
One way they can attact 200 owners who don't want to switch to a 250
Is release a triple locked over trail LX600
I seem to recall reading or hearing some places that it might happen.
It'll cost alot of money though. Alot.
I don't recall Toyota ever offering a locker on an IFS axle?
My guess is that, given its price point, the 250 will cannibalize the 4runner more than the reverse. Where 4runner will be marketed to the hopped up off-roader bros to compete with Jeep and Bronco, the 250 offers a more reserved and still capable alternative for grown ups, one better suited to both touring and daily life.
Lol wonderful. Landcruiser is cross shopped with Subaru. We have arrived.
Dont hold your breath
Devils in the details and the fact that its ONLY offered as a hyp-brid is going to alienate a lot of people
That alone distinguishes it from the 4R and who will and will not be a customer
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It’s is going to sell like crazy worldwide. I have to assume the next gen 4Runner will no longer be built in Tahara to allow for more capacity and some justification in higher price of very similar vehicles.
KDSS failed by leaking. Also, damn bolts consistently corroded and seized bc of the material they were made from and location.
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