2013 LC200 200k for <$25k VS 2021 LC200 ~50k for >$80k. ???

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Wow, what a crazy range. Compared to other vehicles the split from low to high mileage versions isn't so wide.

But also, I'm not aware of an suv where they are practically the same thing for so many years aside from some aesthetic changes. I'll have to study a bit more the changes but it looks like all the basic/meaningful things are the same such as engine, offorad controls, suspension, ventilated seats, etc.

1-I see transmission actually had major change 6 to 8 spd
2-However even though I'm reading the brakes increased in size, an 18" wheel is still usable so fundamentally this is great.

While $23k for a 2013 just over 200k miles seems still a bit strong, it almost seems like a bargain if one with 50k and 8 years newer is $80-90k

I hadn't even realized the front grill and all 4 corners lamp housings were different until I compared the other day. I didn't hate the older bug-eye corners but now I do prefer the flattened shape.

200,000 miles is nothing if it's "my miles", but I have to admit I'm not too hot about it being an unknown vs my own knowledge of maintenance and then of course the whole memories of miles aspect. I have 2 other suvs that have 240,000 miles but they're all my history FWIW.

I suppose saying it out loud, I am the spend more up front bu then keep it long term so maybe I've found my answer.
 
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I loved my 13 LC, but if you can afford the 21, I say get it. The last year 200 is always going to have more residual value than the 13 and you would be starting out with 1/4 of the miles.
 
What are you going to use it for? Have you considered the LX570? You can probably find a much lower mile 2013-2015 for under $30k. 2008-2011 for even less but harder to find with lower miles.
 
What's the intended use? If it's a toy you're gonna offroad with, then I'd go with the 2013 and roll the money into upgrades. If you're regularly gonna drive the car, then the 2021 seems like the more appropriate buy for the issues you noted (lower mileage, shorter maintenance history to be concerned with, etc.).
 
I would personally go for neither of those and find a 2013-2015 LC with sub-50k miles for ~$50-55k. Or LX570 for ~$5-7k less, same year and miles.
 
sdnative said:
What are you going to use it for? Have you considered the LX570? You can probably find a much lower mile 2013-2015 for under $30k. 2008-2011 for even less but harder to find with lower miles.
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Absolutely important and I should have made it clear that this would primarily be for boon-dock camping and living out of it for weeks at a time. North American road trips that also take you to or along actual 4x4 routes.

It would replace my very modified Land Rover LR3 which weighs 8000-8600 lbs on trips depending on the roof situation and having 1 vs 2 people and their gear.

So, sliders and underbody and probably an actual bull bar seeing as the ARB finally did its job with a large deer a few winters ago. Bent but zero functional issues whereas it's so easy for a deer to take out various oil coolers or lamp housings otherwise.
Probably also a rear bumper with tire swing seeing as I am used to having that for 19 years now complete with a custom 2" receiver on it for the bike rack to swing out with it as one unit.

Anyway, as for LX, yes, I am well aware of how they are similar but also not, like most of them having the height control system and all of them having a front end I'm not fond of but then there are finally some decent bumper options which would more or less take care of that LX front end.

I absolutely do NOT want one with the ceiling DVD or backrest screens but with the head rest type, they could be swapped to normal headrests, I assume anyway.

I might get into modifications for a 35" tire but a 33" would be minimum. It's awesome that these can still just use an 18".
 
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What's the intended use? If it's a toy you're gonna offroad with, then I'd go with the 2013 and roll the money into upgrades. If you're regularly gonna drive the car, then the 2021 seems like the more appropriate buy for the issues you noted (lower mileage, shorter maintenance history to be concerned with, etc.).
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Yeah, I meant to have that info - makes a big difference in these ponderings... see my reply above about use case, etc. Also, I am not really into switching out very often, I am only now phasing out the LR3 having bought it new in 2007 and tweaking it to be just right for so long. Not that it won't get to 300k easily, there are some things that now are just getting long in the tooth.

Also, I had a 2006 LC and have basically missed it ever since.
 
Split the difference with a '16+ with 100k ish miles for low to mid-$40k. Heck there's one for sale in the classifieds (though in GA).
 
Our first 200 was an 08 that we bought ~8 years ago with 200k miles on it for $22k. We put a few upgrades on it, used the hell out of it, and sold it for $13k at 295k. It needed new front struts, a new steering rack, and very shortly after it needed a new transmission.

We replaced it with a 2016 with 93k for $50k even (right in between your two extremes in mileage and age). Then put ~$8-9k in lift, sliders, bumper, tires on it and will take it up to ~300k miles over the next 10-15 years.

While these trucks can and do go to high mileage, you will have to replace stuff as it gets older. Only you can decide if newer, lower mileage is worth the initial investment. It certainly would have costed us less to buy another 200k mile cruiser, drive it to 300k, and trade down again, but we wanted a little longer runway before the next upgrade. We could have also put ~5-10k into our 2008 and taken it to 400k. As long as you can find parts and rust/accidents don't catch up with you, you can always replace parts and keep a cruiser going....
 
They are $70k+ because it's for rich guys and gals who want the best one they can find. They know the lore of the LC200 and you can't buy one new anymore. There are only so many now of these 200 series that are under 50k miles, they didn't sell so many new. So that's why they are $70k+. Rich guys have them as their ski home, 5th home vehicle, and other rich guys and gals want it, maybe due to wrecking their last beloved one or hearing about the LC lore.

I think the sub 50k mile ones will always stay this price forever..
 
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Absolutely important and I should have made it clear that this would primarily be for boon-dock camping and living out of it for weeks at a time. North American road trips that also take you to or along actual 4x4 routes.

It would replace my very modified Land Rover LR3 which weighs 8000-8600 lbs on trips depending on the roof situation and having 1 vs 2 people and their gear.

So, sliders and underbody and probably an actual bull bar seeing as the ARB finally did its job with a large deer a few winters ago. Bent but zero functional issues whereas it's so easy for a deer to take out various oil coolers or lamp housings otherwise.
Probably also a rear bumper with tire swing seeing as I am used to having that for 19 years now complete with a custom 2" receiver on it for the bike rack to swing out with it as one unit.

Anyway, as for LX, yes, I am well aware of how they are similar but also not, like most of them having the height control system and all of them having a front end I'm not fond of but then there are finally some decent bumper options which would more or less take care of that LX front end.

I absolutely do NOT want one with the ceiling DVD or backrest screens but with the head rest type, they could be swapped to normal headrests, I assume anyway.

I might get into modifications for a 35" tire but a 33" would be minimum. It's awesome that these can still just use an 18".
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It's often parroted that for real overlanding and hardcore 4x4 use, that you're better served by the LC. The reality is that the LX is arguably superior, because of AHC, and because there's no KDSS sway bar to interfere with more aggressive and larger tires. Stay awhile and you'll see how many more extreme LX builds there are than another mild tired LCs.

35s are super easy and I wouldn't go with anything smaller with real lift under the axle, traction advantage, floatation, better suspension geometry and handling, and how well the platform handles it (like stock). Smooth highway drive. Combined with lift on demand, you might not even need to carry excess weight in skids or even rear bumper as it will fit a 34.6" diameter tire in the boot.

Just saying that the classic build order may not apply and the opportunities can be cheap and easy, with an OEM+ style build, that will go farther than a typical Instagram inspired build.
 
TeCKis300 said:
It's often parroted that for real overlanding and hardcore 4x4 use, that you're better served by the LC. The reality is that the LX is arguably superior, because of AHC, and because there's no KDSS sway bar to interfere with more aggressive and larger tires. Stay awhile and you'll see how many more extreme LX builds there are than another mild tired LCs.

35s are super easy and I wouldn't go with anything smaller with real lift under the axle, traction advantage, floatation, better suspension geometry and handling, and how well the platform handles it (like stock). Smooth highway drive. Combined with lift on demand, you might not even need to carry excess weight in skids or even rear bumper as it will fit a 34.6" diameter tire in the boot.

Just saying that the classic build order may not apply and the opportunities can be cheap and easy, with an OEM+ style build, that will go farther than a typical Instagram inspired build.
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This is very good info. Thank you! I hadn't really thought it through regarding the clearance aspect utilizing AHC but additionally the bonus clearance if even slightly larger tires are more easily used on the LX.

Today we drove the 2021 sub 50k and the 2013 200k+. Both are 1 owner so fairly equal comparison considering the range of what one might find out there.

I'll now look for some LX 570 in last gen vs earlier for a similar type of comparison.

I am also thrilled to have just found out that all of the 570 allow 18" wheels. This is just kind of amazing because Land Rover have not allowed an 18" since the LR3 which ended production 25 years ago. Since then it's been a lot of stupid 19" and even 20" as the smallest wheel while at the same time not fitting tires larger than 32 ish without modifications.

Also, I really want to stick with a physical shifter design. Some modern tech IS cool but also certain things just don't need to be complicated for no good reason.
 
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I wish that toyota would’ve kept a physical shifter for the transfer case. That would eliminate the issue with the motor issues on the case.
 
Just drove a 2021 LX which already has 33" BFG Ko3 load range C on 17" TRD . Perfect for a test drive seeing as all seasons usually feel so smooth you don't get a real world sense of the handling.
It was great, as one would expect. Much better than my LR3 of course but not as quiet and svelte as the Range Rover. Really very nice though.

I have to admit that I LOVE the CAVERNOUS space behind the 1st row seats. At my long leg driver position, still have about 82" to the upright tailgate and the overall 41" to ceiling is nice where I'm used to more like 37 and only 42 at the 2 small sunroof sections. The LC/LX are wider in the cargo area too, considerably.

At low miles and 2021 it's priced high at $80k so I may see what's out there for sub 100k miles and 2018 ish to bring point down.
If this were to be THE only travel-camper-"overlander", then I'd actually 100% choose lowest miles/BEST condition and best features but as a 2nd, 3rd, vehicle, my partner is barely in board with this at all.
 
saw this on visor.. LC prices.

2016-2021

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2013-2015
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Sajan said:
saw this on visor.. LC prices.
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It's interesting to see the "Floor" where the 2008-2011s are. We sold ours a bit lower than this locally to a friend of a friend with known issues, but I've always observed that the 200s seem to maintain a floor of ~15-16K regardless of miles or condition.
It's also interesting to see somewhat of a higher "floor" forming for the 2016+ Cruisers while the 2013-2015s look like they're free falling to 2008-2011 territory.
 
TimCFJ40 said:
It's interesting to see the "Floor" where the 2008-2011s are. We sold ours a bit lower than this locally to a friend of a friend with known issues, but I've always observed that the 200s seem to maintain a floor of ~15-16K regardless of miles or condition.
It's also interesting to see somewhat of a higher "floor" forming for the 2016+ Cruisers while the 2013-2015s look like they're free falling to 2008-2011 territory.
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In my observation in closely tracking LC prices for the past 8 years for US market, on BaT, C&B, AutoTempest, etc., typical average floor price 2008-2011s is right around $18-20k USD.

The 2016-2021MY saw a bump in 2021-2022 with the perfect storm of discontinuation of the model, no immediate replacement, COVID (which resulted in later MY2020-2021 driving up average sold valuations of 2016+).

IMO, both 2013-2015 and 2016-2021 still have a way to go in terms of "free falling" and reaching the "floor". I suspect the floor for 08-11 and 13-15's will be similar with a few $k's premium for 16-21's.. but time will tell.
 
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