I'm new to this board and have appreciated the enormous amount of info and opinions on tire selection. After researching for several weeks, I purchased a set of the Cooper ATWs, 275 70 R18, for my 2013 Landcruiser and installed on stock wheels. I've driven them for 2 days thus far, and while the ride and handling are great, there is a high pitched whine at highway speeds (60-80 mph) that after 20 minutes or so feels as if someone has struck a tuning fork and stuck it in my right ear. It is definitely tire noise. I'm by no means an expert on tires, but know that proper inflation can impact road noise. After the evening commute tonight I checked tire pressure and discovered it was lower than the sensors were showing (actual psi approx 35 psi), so I have pressured up to about 45 psi and will see if it makes any difference. Any feedback or advice on this issue would be much appreciated - either specific to the ATWs or general troubleshooting recommendations. Thanks in advance.
2013 Landcruiser - Cooper Discoverer ATWs - 275 70 R18
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It sounds like you are on the right track by increasing your tire pressure.
According to the Tire and Rim Association Yearbook, the recommended COLD tire inflation pressure for your LT275/70R18 tires on your 2013LC is 41psi Front/Rear.
It is important that you measure this pressure when the tires are COLD - that means they are at ambient temperature, have not been setting in the sun and have not been driven on for several hours, preferably overnight. The tire pressure will increase above 41psi after they have been driven, but that pressure is not important.
If you still have the tire noise when running at 41psi COLD, then the problem is something else.
HTH
According to the Tire and Rim Association Yearbook, the recommended COLD tire inflation pressure for your LT275/70R18 tires on your 2013LC is 41psi Front/Rear.
It is important that you measure this pressure when the tires are COLD - that means they are at ambient temperature, have not been setting in the sun and have not been driven on for several hours, preferably overnight. The tire pressure will increase above 41psi after they have been driven, but that pressure is not important.
If you still have the tire noise when running at 41psi COLD, then the problem is something else.
HTH
One additional thought:
Once you have set your new tire pressures, don't forget to reset your TPMS (see Owner's Manual). The TPMS warning will trigger when a tire is 25% lower than the set pressure. If you don't reset it, it will trigger at 25% below 33psi (approx. 25psi) which is much too low for tires that are supposed to be at 41psi.
HTH
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The TPMS reset button is found under the driver's side dash:
Once you have set your new tire pressures, don't forget to reset your TPMS (see Owner's Manual). The TPMS warning will trigger when a tire is 25% lower than the set pressure. If you don't reset it, it will trigger at 25% below 33psi (approx. 25psi) which is much too low for tires that are supposed to be at 41psi.
HTH
Edit to add:
The TPMS reset button is found under the driver's side dash:
I don't think we get that reset button in the US...or at least my 08 doesn't have it...
The OP has a 2013 LC and I have a 2013 LC and ... wait for it ... we both are in the US and ... wait for it ... we both have the TPMS reset button
It must be a feature added some time after 2008 if you don't have it. Do you have a TPMS system?
The OP has a 2013 LC and I have a 2013 LC and ... wait for it ... we both are in the US and ... wait for it ... we both have the TPMS reset button
It must be a feature added some time after 2008 if you don't have it. Do you have a TPMS system?
Ya... Didn't know for sure...so qualified it by mentioning I'm a 2008.
Has TPMS, but no reset. Wish it did...
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Hey Markuson, my '06 even has the reset button, super odd that the early 200s wouldn't have it.
EGG ALERT!
Please excuse me whilst I clean this yuuuuge egg off my face...
Of course it is indeed there.
My lame excuse:
I haven't driven my truck since my accident...and either my nerve-damage meds are playing tricks on me...or my pain drugs (Dilauded is 6x more nasty than morphine).
(or... I'm just going full-Forrest Gump...and have no excuse--)
So.....
!Now I just need to figure out what missing feature my pea-brain was confusing with this one.
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If memory serves, it's not that complicated. Here's what I do:
- Safely parked, engine off and transmission in Park
- Turn ignition ON (two presses of the Start button)
- Switch central display to the page that shows the tire pressures (optional, I think)
- Press and hold the TPMS Reset switch until the TPMS warning light blinks 3 times
- Leave the ignition ON for a few minutes until the displayed pressures repopulate.
- Turn ignition OFF
HTH
- Safely parked, engine off and transmission in Park
- Turn ignition ON (two presses of the Start button)
- Switch central display to the page that shows the tire pressures (optional, I think)
- Press and hold the TPMS Reset switch until the TPMS warning light blinks 3 times
- Leave the ignition ON for a few minutes until the displayed pressures repopulate.
- Turn ignition OFF
HTH
That's good. I've read a few threads here about the 200 not having the "main/2nd" switch for the TPMS sensors (100 has this in the glove box) and was worried that the early 200s lost a few features.
That accident looked ugly, hopefully you're through your recovery soon.
andersnd, I have the A/Tw's coming up on almost a year now. They replaced Nitto Terra Grappler's on the stock 18" rims. The Cooper is a super good all around performer, but it does have a whine at highway speeds. While I'm not a fan of the road noise, their winter performance is great, and you don't need to have a second set of winter specific wheels. Mine also took a fair bit of weight to balance, compared to the Nitto's which took almost nothing.
Let us know how it works out for you, good luck.
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Thanks for all the feedback. Pressuring up by 7 PSI or so definitely cut back on some of the background noise and I think helped to isolate the root of the problem which seems to be coming from the right front tire. Left side of the vehicle is silent, lean over to passenger side while at highway speed and high pitched whine is pronounced. Hoping it is a balancing issue, and now need to find someone who will help remedy the issue. Not intending to rip on NTB, but they were only interested in getting the tires on, and getting me out the door so they could get to the next customer. Will keep this group updated as I know tire selection, performance and size is a popular issue on this board and I'm happy to share my views once I get these issues sorted out.
Ah! You just reminded me of what WAS missing...and that I think I was misremembering...
It was the "2nd" part. I don't think it has the feature for the 2nd set....
Ah! You just reminded me of what WAS missing...and that I think I was misremembering...
It was the "2nd" part. I don't think it has the feature for the 2nd set....
OK Mr. Cheeky...
I don't have the 2nd TPMS set button. Do you?
That came up about a year ago...and I remember looking for it--and not finding it. All I have is the "set" button.
By the way, ToYODA... You rock! See below...
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OK Mr. Cheeky...
I don't have the 2nd TPMS set button. Do you?
That came up about a year ago...and I remember looking for it--and not finding it. All I have is the "set" button.
All in good fun, my friend. Figured you could use even a weak attempt at getting you to laugh a bit - it's good medicine.
No, I don't have the second TPMS button, I don't think any 200 series LC has it. Of course, I've been wrong before, but I've never heard of that option on a 200 series.
I'm familiar with the feature, its implementation on other vehicles, and my desire to have it on my 2013 LC; even a little disappointed that a vehicle at this price point does not have it.
Are you aware of any 200 series cruisers that have the feature?
All in good fun, my friend. Figured you could use even a weak attempt at getting you to laugh a bit - it's good medicine.
No, I don't have the second TPMS button, I don't think any 200 series LC has it. Of course, I've been wrong before, but I've never heard of that option on a 200 series.
I'm familiar with the feature, its implementation on other vehicles, and my desire to have it on my 2013 LC; even a little disappointed that a vehicle at this price point does not have it.
Are you aware of any 200 series cruisers that have the feature?
I actually laughed out loud... I'm not sure, but I seem to recall the 2nd set feature being mentioned by someone over seas... I swear all the best options are reserves for Australia and the Middle East...
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I took advantage of a 30 day trial period for the Toyo AT2 extreme due to the high pitched whine issue. Switched to falken AT3/W and the noise is much less intrusive. Also gained the snow rating and silica tread compound. Lost e rating and tread depth, although could have gotten the non silica version with deeper tread as well. For my use well worth the compromise.
My brother wanted the coopers, I will let him know about reported noise issues.
My brother wanted the coopers, I will let him know about reported noise issues.
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Brought the truck back to NTB this morning. They drove it and said that they did not notice anything out of the ordinary, that it was not a balancing issue because there was no vibration in the vehicle, and said that maybe the whining was a wheel bearing issue and suggested I take the truck to Toyota. They clearly did not want to deal with me. When driving home last evening (about 50 miles) I definitely noticed that it takes the tires coming up to temperature for the sound to become overwhelming. Also noticed that when I would turn truck to the left the sound dissipates (less pressure on right side). When turning to the right the sound is the same, maybe marginally worse. NTB has simply said the tires were properly installed, appear to be properly balanced, and that if i'm dissatisfied I should take it up with Tread Depot. I called Tread Depot, and they said that unless there is a mfgr defect they won't take them back. These tires did not come with their 30-day test drive guaranty. Not sure where I go from here. I may try Toyota dealership or a real tire shop that is willing to take the time to work through this with me. If what I'm hearing is just the noise of the tires then I'll have to decide whether to live with it or put my old BFGs back on, sell the ATWs on craigslist and start all over.