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just wondering why sliders for 80s are so much more expensive than sliders for other applications? I've bought sliders before for toyota trucks and even double cabs and they were less than half the cost of the sliders im seeing for 80s, even for bolt-on versions. why the huge premium for a 80 slider?!
 
Beause they have to have a funky mounting system because of the cataltic converters!

I made a REALLY nice set for like $50 in about 3 hours for my FJ60 that were super simple and functional. However, that cant be done on the FZJ80 because of the cats and some other stuff.
 
I don't have an answer for your question, but there are ways around the cost if you don't mind doing some fabrication.

If you can weld, poke around in the search function and you can find plans to make your own. I think George posted them on his web site. I don't have the link handy, but the info is out there if you search.

Charlie
 
An inner and outer rocker for an 80 runs almost 300 bucks sitting on the floor and door shells are close to 1,200 bucks a piece. Add body and paint labor to that and sliders are a bargain.
 
i'm not disputing the fact that sliders (even at $800+ per set) are still a good investment and a mod that anyone that does any type of offroading should consider, i'm just trying to figure out why the huge premium for 80 series vs. the price you pay for sliders for other applications. there really can't be that much more steel involved to justify a 2x premium.
 
Volume plays a part as well.
 
Maybe the price premium is a result of the Landcruiser=luxury car = $$$$ mentally.
 
If you've got fab skills (or a really really nice friend) a pair of sliders can be had for about $250. That's what it cost to make mine. 11 feet of 2x4x1/8 cut it in half trim to length for each side, 20 feet of 1.5" DOM, a pipe bender, welder, and your done.
 
Buckums said:
i'm not disputing the fact that sliders (even at $800+ per set) are still a good investment and a mod that anyone that does any type of offroading should consider, i'm just trying to figure out why the huge premium for 80 series vs. the price you pay for sliders for other applications. there really can't be that much more steel involved to justify a 2x premium.

4Runner and minitruck/Taco sliders that are just some simple round tubing with a couple of straight legs that weld to the frame (or even bolt on with some self tapping bolts) are a lot easier to manufacture than something that needs to line up with factory holes, clear exhaust and are made from rectangular plus DOM tube, supplied with U bolts and come finished with powder coating that was prepped with sand blasting before the time.

Most companies that make bolt on sliders for the 80 are within the same price range. There are cheaper options out there or then there are the DIY route as well.
 
Materials + labor + business operating cost + profit = cost.

$800 or $900 seems fair enough for me if I can give someone a call, have the item pulled from a shelf, and shipped to me.
 
Doug hit it on the noise. It may only be about 350 with labor and powdercoating, but you still need some profit to keep the doors open. Still cheaper than fixing the damage. With out the tools needed to build a set and the time involved by you adding 250 for materials Mr. Bryan would have about 500+ invested in his sliders If you figure cost of labor and the cost of the tools needed. But some time we forget how much time is worth and what it takes to keep the doors open on a business. robbie
 
sleeoffroad said:
4Runner and minitruck/Taco sliders that are just some simple round tubing with a couple of straight legs that weld to the frame (or even bolt on with some self tapping bolts) are a lot easier to manufacture than something that needs to line up with factory holes, clear exhaust and are made from rectangular plus DOM tube, supplied with U bolts and come finished with powder coating that was prepped with sand blasting before the time.

Most companies that make bolt on sliders for the 80 are within the same price range. There are cheaper options out there or then there are the DIY route as well.

yours line up with existing holes in the frame i.e. no drilling required? yeah, both sets of sliders that i have bought in the past have come bare metal and were weld on. i guess that makes sense. :idea:
 
Boston Mangler said:
Beause they have to have a funky mounting system because of the cataltic converters!

I made a REALLY nice set for like $50 in about 3 hours for my FJ60 that were super simple and functional. However, that cant be done on the FZJ80 because of the cats and some other stuff.

I call bs.
 
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I've made sliders for my own 80 following Geogrge's plans, and a 3rd generation 4runner and two Tacomas that I designed. I think made all three sets (the 4runner and Taco sliders) in less time than it took to make the set for my 80. The frame on the other vehicles is straight and hangs below the rocker allowing for straight simple outriggers to be used. With the frame on an 80 not only are there holes to line up with as Christo mentioned but there are compound angles to cut for the outriggers as the frame bends in towards the front of the truck and the bottom of the rocker is almost even with the bottom of the frame so the outriggers need to drop down and then hang evenly below the pinch weld. The initial design is very time consuming and then fitting everything right is a pain in the ass making sure that the sliders themselves fit evenly against the outriggers. Having built these myself I would say that $850 is a bargain and if I needed another set I might just go ahead and fork over the cash. I will continue to make 4runner and Taco sliders for my friends but probably not for LC80s. Those that are still in doubt go buy some wleding equipment and get to it. You will probably think that $850 is a steal...no pun intended.
 
Steel fabrication is like home remodeling- it looks so easy on tv, why not diy and save a bunch of $! Problem is, that's usually why you see so many incomplete remodels or ones that had to be tended to later, by a professional.

My general rule of thumb: If it's a trade-profession, there is usually a good reason.

Don't get me wrong, if I had the skills &tools I would make my own. But I don't. (I like seeing diy fab b/c it brings in fresh ideas and makes the rig unique.)

Also this argument assumes all sliders are the same quality, price being the only difference. There can be a substantial difference between x's $800 slider and z's $300 slider. You are paying for X's design ideas too.

I've found that once you go bolt-on, no one really offers one under $500-600 anyway.

It really boils down to your expectations and the fact that vendors need to eat and pay light bills too.

It's not a big market but you can also go to a local fabricator and have stuff done for less. I've seen several posts like that w/ good results.
Like everything, it's a cost/time/quality issue.
 
Uncle Ben said:
No comparison...IMNSHO (apples to grapefruit)

http://sleeoffroad.com/products/80_sliders_steps.htm

yo kev... Mine'll work fine. Christo's ARE fancier, and he uses u-bolts for saleability.

I think you remember my rover, my stuff is plenty stout. My point in posting is that in relationship to other things you can build for your vehicle, sliders are the easiest and cheapest.

See ya next wed. night, they should be welded on by then, and you can critique all ya want!

j
 
z80 said:
yo kev... Mine'll work fine. Christo's ARE fancier, and he uses u-bolts for saleability.

I think you remember my rover, my stuff is plenty stout. My point in posting is that in relationship to other things you can build for your vehicle, sliders are the easiest and cheapest.

See ya next wed. night, they should be welded on by then, and you can critique all ya want!

j


Cool! U-bolted (removable) armor is s big merit to me for nicer rigs. I had to have my drivers side rocker repainted after an unseen metal strip at the car wash peeled a nasty gouge of paint right off. Sure was nice to drop the slider in about 10 minutes! (that probably saved a hundred bucks of body shop time right there) It all depends on what is important to you! I am a very capable fabricator. Unfortunately, I am also very busy with our investments/business so my time is at a premium. If I can plop down some cash and walk away with a product that will protect my dual purpose Cruiser under very harsh conditions, look awesome, and be installed in an hour it's totally worth it to me. I will go wheeling in the time saved instead and save the shop time for working on my other trail Cruiser! I wasn't bashing your quality of work, I know better! I was only pointing out that function is not always the same as convienance, looks, and engineering!
 
Sliders for 80's are so expensive because they can be. As long as the market bares that price, that's what they will continue to cost. With little to no competition, the price doesn't come down. When I had a '01 Trooper, I wanted a rear bumper with a hitch, no one made one. Calmini said they would with a minimum group buy of 25 pieces. The group on 4x4 wire were half estatic about getting them made and half were worried about delievery. When I suggested that for a $20,000 order, Calmini aught to commit to a date they'd be ready, and be willing to pay penalties for being late. It's nothing that isn't done in buisness every day. The group was appalled. How dare we ask for good buisness practices, we should count ourselves blessed that we got someone to make them. They were 8 months late on delievery. I didn't get one, I wasn't willing to wait that long to put a hitch on. They were happy with the crappy delievery time, cause there was no other option.

With 80 series, you have more options, and fortunately better quality options. There is more demand for 80 series stuff than last generation Trooper, but it still doesn't hold a candle to the demand for Jeep stuff. The more demand for Jeep means there are more people willing to get into supplying. If a company can get 1/4th of the 20,000 piece a year Jeep slider market , that's alot more than 50% of the 1,000 piece a year 80 series slider market, or 100% of the 50 piece a year for Trooper sliders. That does two things. The jeep guy has to be more competative to get that 1/4 share, and he can make allot more money, making $100 a piece, than the 80 series guy making $400 a piece. Two and a half times as much actually.

With the Trooper, the biggest problem was a couple of the suppliers of parts started making parts cause they had Troopers, and wanted parts for their own rigs. They were the good suppliers for Troopers - but far from major buisnesses - more back yard buisnesses. The majors that supplied for Troopers, supplied for Isuzu and Nissan, and other minor markets so that they didn't have to be good buisnessmen. If you're not up to competing in the big market, find a market that isn't being served at all, and serve it poorly.

If there were 12 options for sliders available, and the market was 1,000 a month, they'd be cheaper. The competition would drive it. The current options for sliders for an 80 might all be quality options, but there isn't enough competition there to drive the price down.

It's simple ecconomics - course I'm not an ecconomicist
 
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