I'm pretty new to offroad action in a vehicle. I have been a mountain biker and dirt biker for years. I live right up against Windrock and this weekend was a trailfest of mostly Jeeps and buggys. I knew one guy going and I tagged along. I was the only Toyota there and in my group rides I was the only one to NOT winch. I think I opened a few minds. Regardless my wife and I had a blast. Also, I more than paid for the investment in sliders.