Sluggish acceleration Please Please advise.

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I have a well maintained 92 Landcruiser.

Under light acceleration it is very very sluggish. More sluggish than is normal for the ~150hp motor.

It accelerates very smoothly (no missing, backfiring or stumbling) , but slowly until the RPMs get up to 2300 or so then it comes to life and begins to accelerate normally and the transition is noticeable: kind of like a 2 stroke mx bike coming into its power band.

Where should I look for the cause of this?

I hope to get some feedback from you guys today and dive into it this weekend. I need to get this fixed for my wife.

Regards,


Bill Black
 
Just a quick ? for clarification....
is the engine/performance sluggish?
or is the response sluggish?

have driven a rig w/ brand new throttle cable and it had awesome response making mine feel old and stiff. Concretejungle just added a accellerator cable to his last week and has commented as well about the positive change in throttle input...

hope it helps
 
Perhaps it could be the knock sensors cutting the timing back due to pinging? What grade of gas are you running? Also, have you had any check engine lights lately? Perhaps an O2 sensor is going out.
 
The response is fine, it just accelerates way too slow until it gets some revs in it.
Then it "kicks in" and pulls strongly.

I use cheap, 87 octane gas and I always have. No audible knocking or pinging. Although it is the kind of performance drop you would expect from timing that is too retarded.

No check engine light warnings.

The O2 sensors,......I don't know how old they are. I have records from day 1 (it has 200k on it now) and I'll check to see if they were ever replaced. I don't want to put o2 sensors in just to check out the effect. I'm on an insane budget right now.

Thanks for the responses, keep em coming.

Anything else I can wrench on as is or check?

Bill
 
Take the slack out of the throttle cable and the tranny kick-down cable, they get loose over time.
 
thanks, but no that's not it. That wouldn't account for the transition from poor to good acceleration at ~2300 rpm. It's like a big sock is stuck in the intake and then it gets pulled out around 2300 and the thing pulls strong.
 
Bill,

The following post is cut-and-pasted from my other home, the 3FE list at Yahoo Groups. It's rather long, but it addresses your issue pretty much exactly.

BTW, John Hocker is the 3FE list's version of C-Dan.

Good luck,

Curtis
91FJ80, 234K



Hocker sent me the 3 VSV's Vacuum Supply Valves for a FJ80 as the ones for the FJ62 are discontinued. My Air Injection VSV was shot for sure according to the tests in the FSM.

Just that one is available but its $67 whereas the whole mount with all 3 is $105 from the esteemed Senior Hocker.

Here is the difference, the FJ62 VSV's mount horizontally and have perminent wiring on two of them. The FJ80 ones mount vertically and all can be unplugged.

I used the mount rail from the FJ62 and just swapped the new VSV's to it, they unscrew easily.

Another difference is that in the diagrams the #1 and #3 VSV's are in opposite locations on the diagram which I will attempt to attach and will post in a writeup in the files section when I get a minute.

That is to say I needed the forwardmost VSV (closest to the front bumper) which is the Air Injection one. In the diagram it is called #3. However, in the diagram for the FJ80 it is labeled #1 and is the rearmost one. I will try to get the actual part number off of each and post what they do in my writeup.

The old ones from my FJ62 had perminent wiring on number 1 & #3 VSV's, the middle one #2 just unplugged. I tried to dig out the silicone to see if there was a plug underneath but the wires were clamped onto the posts so I diked them off.

I used blue butt wire connectors on the diked off ends and had to trim off the flared end of the butt on the side that goes into the VSV. They fit snug and I believe will stay. After I am sure I will probably fill the area with di-electric grease and seal it off.

Results. If you look back at the symptoms I was seeing, sluggish or flat acceleration through about 23k rmp then turbo kick in like jump on up. Also, my idle was about 950 rpm at idle which is a bit high. I was getting dismal mpg as well. Jon Held said this sounded like what his rig was doing when his EGR system laid down. I had just replaced my EGR and vacuum modulator so I figured it was something else. I had checked my timing and it was retarded. Perhaps because my CEL due to the fried O2 sensor wiring for the front one. After I replaced the engine wiring harness my truck was CEL free but the symptoms began.

I am thinking the ECU reached an equalibrium with the fried harness and the timinmg was set accordingly. Regardless, after I advanced the timing performance improved but the problem still existed, it just moved higher up the power band.

With the new VSV's I Warmed up the truck and test drove it. It idled at about 550rpm smoothly. It pulled consistently through the power band without the flat area I saw before. It still pulled harder above 2700rpm but I think that is just the nature of the beast. It is really noticeable in 3rd gear when I hold it and shift at 4k rmp. For those who do not know I have a H55F Toyota five speed transmission. From 3k to redline the thing really goes.

My hot rod is baaacck!

Dunbar

Oh, and death to bin Laden.
 
Very observant. Your symptom's (pre fix) certainly do mimic mine pretty much exactly. Even our RPM where the flat acceleration goes away is the same.

VSV huh? well, I don't even know what that is but I have a shop manual and the internet so I'll do some research and come back with some good questions.

Thanks, your response is very relavent
 
Way to go Curtis!
 
T'anks guys.

Bill,

That wasn't on my rig; that's David Dunbar's 62 series. Come check out the 3FE list; lots of off topic banter (that's how we like it over there), but a great, super knowledgable bunch of folks.

Look in the the emissions chapter of the FSM, under air injection system. Oh, VSV = Vacuum Supply Valve, I believe.

Post back up with any questions,

Curtis
 
Very observant. Your symptom's (pre fix) certainly do mimic mine pretty much exactly. Even our RPM where the flat acceleration goes away is the same.

VSV huh? well, I don't even know what that is but I have a shop manual and the internet so I'll do some research and come back with some good questions.

Thanks, your response is very relavent
I did that fix it I'm having the same issue
 
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