Real Time Help Needed! 1HD-T Front Main Seal

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What could cause the pulley to wobble this much?

We are now in San Jose Del Cabo, which luckily has a Toyota dealership with a hoist. But no parts are available for 1HD-T's in all of Mexico.

I need to figure out which parts to order from Canada to get back on the road.

Any insight/help much appreciated!

This is how our travels South look at the moment

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That does not look good. looks like possibly the the crank nut has loosened allowing the pulley to start wobbling. Unknown is what is damaged inside there, woodruff key, crank, pulley? Only way to know is to take the crank pulley off and see.

Best case I would say a woodruff key,pulley and crank seal. Worst case gets ugly quick. Was the t belt done recently? Maybe the crank nut was not torqued correctly?
 
Yes, that is a lot of wobble. I have seen that on the outer pulley (when the rubber disintegrated), but not the inner one.
The pulley #1 is also a harmonic balancer, so there is a rubber component to it. If that goes bad, you will see wobble.

As above said, the main crank nut needs to be checked. It should be on there with 362ft/lbs of torque, so a LOT.

Here is what I'd do (having pulled apart these engines often):
Take the nut off. You will need a long breaker bar with a 32 mm socket. If you put the truck in gear and make sure it does not roll, you will be able to do that. You can't get in there with an air wrench when the front clip is on. But a short 32 mm socket with a long breaker bar will work. Make sure it is at least a 3/4 inch breaker bar, or it will break.

You can then get the pulley off. First take pulley #2 off (6 12mm bolts, 18ft/lbs). Then tap on pulley #2 from the back and carefully lever it with a breaker bar until it comes off. It usually does not sit on the crank very strongly, so no puller required. Anyway, you cannot get in there with a puller with the front clip on. But be careful when levering the pulley off, as the front cover is aluminum.

Then look at the pulley. You should see if the rubber part of it is bad.

I doubt the key is the problem, as even a missing key will not allow wobbling. And I doubt the crank is bad, as it is massive.

Make sure to not lose the key, but usually it is stuck on the crank well.

Once you are there, you can replace the seal.

The one thing I cannot explain is the bad seal. Even with a bad rubber component of the pulley, the seal should not get mangled.

I do have a good used pulley in San Diego, if you need it. I might have a front seal too, but I am not sure about that.

you can pm me your phone number, if you want. I'll send you mine back...if you want to talk about this. As I said, we have rebuilt a number of these engines here, so a pretty good idea of them.
cheers,
Jan
 
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That does not look good. looks like possibly the the crank nut has loosened allowing the pulley to start wobbling. Unknown is what is damaged inside there, woodruff key, crank, pulley? Only way to know is to take the crank pulley off and see.

Best case I would say a woodruff key,pulley and crank seal. Worst case gets ugly quick. Was the t belt done recently? Maybe the crank nut was not torqued correctly?

No need to mess with the crank nut when doing the t-belt on these...
cheers,
Jan
 
No need to mess with the crank nut when doing the t-belt on these...
cheers,
Jan

Good to know.

Any chance that crank nut loosened though allowing the wobble and the seal to get mangled? I would still inspect to see what exactly is wobbling.
 
Good to know.

Any chance that crank nut loosened though allowing the wobble and the seal to get mangled? I would still inspect to see what exactly is wobbling.

Yes, you are totally correct, he needs to find out what's wobbling. I guess if the nut is really loose and the pulley backs of quite a bit it could wobble and ruin the seal.

But the rubber part of the pulley is outside of where the contact with the seal is, so those parts should be independent. We'll see. If the nut is totally loose, I guess there is the answer.

Cheers,
Jan
 
Thanks Guys! Good to know an eff'ed crank is not on the short list.

A bit of background: engine was rebuilt 50k Km's ago by a good machinist. About 10k Km's after the rebuild I noticed a small amount of oil coming from the front. Replaced the cam seal and fixed a few other small leaks post rebuild, but did not touch the front main. I figured at the time it was due to aftermarket seals (engines Australia) being used and not OEM.

I understand the timing belt has no impact - but could the timing gears have any effect on this?

I should have the pulley off tomm am and will post pics. Really appreciate the quick responses.
 
Thanks Guys! Good to know an eff'ed crank is not on the short list.

A bit of background: engine was rebuilt 50k Km's ago by a good machinist. About 10k Km's after the rebuild I noticed a small amount of oil coming from the front. Replaced the cam seal and fixed a few other small leaks post rebuild, but did not touch the front main. I figured at the time it was due to aftermarket seals (engines Australia) being used and not OEM.

I understand the timing belt has no impact - but could the timing gears have any effect on this?

I should have the pulley off tomm am and will post pics. Really appreciate the quick responses.

You have two seals back there that can cause leaks, the main/crank seal, and the one on the injection pomp drive gear. The latter one is higher up. The timing gears should have nothing to do with this.

I doubt a bad crank, as it is massive, and you'd hear all sorts of horrible noises. If it sounds good and smooth, the cranks should be fine and the timing should be fine.

BTW, engine australia uses OEM seals for many applications. It is not possible to tell what you have in there, but it certainly should not be leaking already.

Post pics tomorrow...
cheers,
Jan
 
You have two seals back there that can cause leaks, the main/crank seal, and the one on the injection pomp drive gear. The latter one is higher up. The timing gears should have nothing to do with this.

I doubt a bad crank, as it is massive, and you'd hear all sorts of horrible noises. If it sounds good and smooth, the cranks should be fine and the timing should be fine.

BTW, engine australia uses OEM seals for many applications. It is not possible to tell what you have in there, but it certainly should not be leaking already.

Post pics tomorrow...
cheers,
Jan

Depeding on where the oil is coming from would be an indicator of what seal is having issues. If the oil is leaking around the case where the pulley meets the case then it is probably the oil seal on the case, this would make sense if the pulley is lose on the crank and is whobbiling on the crank (probably a lose crank bolt). If the oil is leaking from the center of the pulley then it could be the seal that is seated in the pulley that slips over the crank. We may have both of theses seals at the shop (Jan and I have been talking) we will check tomorrow.

Thanks,

Michael
 
Now back in business. Big thanks to Jan and Michael at WestCoast Cruisers for shipping out a replacement pulley and seal in record time.
 
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