New dog bite thread

[Cruisin'Carolina]

If I used the word attack, (not sure if I did) that was wrong after I read the details today.

It was only a snap.

I guess Eric gets tired (rightfully so) of everyone hating a breed, when I'm sure there are well trained, even-tempered dogs out there. NOt all of them lunge 6 feet and swing from a hunk of meat tied to a tree.

Same thing, any dog can cause damage.

 

[Jman]

I almost got my ass handed to me by a huge chocolate lab this past summer. I was at a friend's house on the river, the neighbors had their lab on a long rope down by the bank. I asked if it was okay to say hello to the dog because he was going nuts. Walked up, did the usual greet routine, gave him a few pets, then I noticed a subtle but immediate change in him, his hackles rose, and I got out of chain length just in time. He went nuts. The owner came over and smacked him square in the back with a shovel. Turns out the dog spends most of his time tied up, and gets beat it appears. So much for nice doggy.

 

[BOUNDER]

Just a thread to show anything can happen.

Doug's original post said it best and in fewer words.

The girl was messing with a dog and trying to get something from it's mouth on it's home turf.

The difference is, the lab probably just barked or snapped once. Another breed, a different owner, and the girl could have been killed. The lab did not go and go and go again. One snap. No visciousness.

Just a warning what can happen even outside of the machismo pit owning redneck crowd.

Not a hater of pits again, I have known some good ones.

Kids need to be taught limits.

All true but I've never witnessed a Lab snap in anger - just to catch a tennis ball or a scobby snack. And yes, kids need to be taught to be respectful of all animals.

 

[jwest]

This is an area of such extremely peculiar psychology.

How is it that we cling steadfast to beliefs, seemingly beyond reason, and even through to the death or injury of another human being? It's as if the egoistic right for an individual to have a "pleasure" (pastime or hobby) eclipses any degree of pain or damage that may result from them.

Like a child that clutches a toy moreso when a parent threatens to take it away, so can people when someone threatens to take away their beliefs. But is this what we are, a bunch of kids that never fully developed? ...that never dealt with our own losses? How does that translate to the real world?

Margorie Knoller's two presa canario's killed a young woman as she was entering her apartment with groceries. The owners went on to blame the victim for using the wrong perfume, or using steroids, or that she was a lesbian. They are still, peculiarly unapologetic.

Why do we emotionally invest in beliefs that even in their absolute best case scenarios, only pay even money?

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I'd like to ask Eric, what is it about the pit that you find so appealing?
Are they misunderstood by society and you feel they need love and protection?
Do you identify with them in any way?
Here's a kicker... are you projecting your needs onto them?

Of course, you can tell me to eat s*** too.

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[stayalert]

or,
like my dad came across, a guy shooting his dog at the local garbage dump. he wasn't trying to kill it outright. he was tortoring it with bullet after bullet.
dad pulled the rifle from behind the seat in the old dodge and one shot through the head and the dog was finally put to peace.
the owner was pissed at dad but didn't have the guts to take on my old man.
i see red everytime i think of that story...

Good on yer Dad. That makes my stomach turn.

 

[concretejungle]

Don't get me wrong CJ, I love dogs. Rotts and Labs mostly.

The intent of my thread was not to bash Labs.

That being said, I don't know what my intent was. The owners had a well trained dog. On their property. Girl was out-ofbounds, just being a kid. She shouldn't have messed with it. People will have to live with it forever.

Pits can do damage, others can too. Pits have it bred into them as Doug stated.

I'm just bummed.

No, i understand completely. I was being very scarcastic (sp?). It just goes to show that any dog, put in the wrong circumstances may bite.

 

[concretejungle]

bounder, I have seen first hand a police dog (a black lab) that came to the fence and would have eaten me alive or any part of me that crossed over into his lot. Even though it was a lab, that dog was ferosious (sp?). It was a police dog and had been trained. Point is showing that any dog has the ability to bite.

 

[wob]

I almost got my ass handed to me by a huge chocolate lab this past summer. I was at a friend's house on the river, the neighbors had their lab on a long rope down by the bank. I asked if it was okay to say hello to the dog because he was going nuts. Walked up, did the usual greet routine, gave him a few pets, then I noticed a subtle but immediate change in him, his hackles rose, and I got out of chain length just in time. He went nuts. The owner came over and smacked him square in the back with a shovel. Turns out the dog spends most of his time tied up, and gets beat it appears. So much for nice doggy.

Same crap the other day with me. Neighbors have a lab that stays in a tiny fence and never gets let out or played with. I was at their house, and the focker kept barking and barking. I went over to the fence to say hello, and he got quiet. As soon as I stuck my hand out to pet him through the fence, he went nuts. Barking, growling, and trying to jump the fence to get at me. I was stunned. I have never seen or heard of a lab acting like that. Needless to say, I told the wife, that our son wasn't allowed over there ever.

 

[dirtysouth]

There is no such breed "pitbull". The "pitbull" is bred for fighting. What you may have is a American Staffordshire Terrier that is a great family dog, people actually recommend the bully (bulldog, not mean bully) breed for children because of their high tolerance of pain. Alot of people refer to the Staffordshire Terrier as a "pit" in error. Once again, a "pit" is a dog that is trained to be aggressive and fight. Even "pits" are generally not aggressive toward people even though some are trained to be or are abused or neglected to the point that they are aggressive. If you do the research you will see that "pits" and rots have a bad track record, I won't deny that they can do the most damage because of their strength and tenaciousness but by doing the same research, one will see that there are other breeds that lead the way as far as attacks go. That being said, I just lost my Staffie due to cancer and picked up a pup the other day. Best breed that I have had experienced with but I don't poke at them or make them run on treadmills either. To each his own, but my thoughts are that the owner bears more responsibility for the upbringing and actions of the dog, regardless of breed.

 

[Draken]

I have an English Bulldog




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He's the laziest and most non-threatening dog I've had.....but even he will bite/nip in particular circumstances....like trying to take a bone from him or challenging him for his food.

I always warn ppl not to try and remove something from a dog's mouth....When kid's ask to pet him or any of my other dogs, I always kneel down beside and control the dog's head.

B/C of his underbite....I can grab him pretty much like you would a large mouth bass and not get bit...Drives the dog crazy though.

 

[bulldog-yota]

I have an English Bulldog




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He's the laziest and most non-threatening dog I've had.....but even he will bite/nip in particular circumstances....like trying to take a bone from him or challenging him for his food.

I always warn ppl not to try and remove something from a dog's mouth....When kid's ask to pet him or any of my other dogs, I always kneel down beside and control the dog's head.

B/C of his underbite....I can grab him pretty much like you would a large mouth bass and not get bit...Drives the dog crazy though.

Bulldog's are very dangerous, stay well clear of them!!!
They might just slobber you to death and that is about it.

Mine doesn't even object when things get taken from his mouth, but he can get rough when playing. They don't get mean just rough, tend to knock children and even small adults over when he gets excited.

Pic by an 80 at Big Bear

His favorite activity though