IVOAC releases rebuttal to ICBC "40%" study

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Please feel free to share this study widely and use it as a reference when dealing with claims related to the ICBC study on Right Hand Drives.
 

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It's not so much a rebuttal as a "more study is necessary and there *may* have been some problems with the analysis".
 
Glenn-BJ74 said:
Looks like nothing's wrong with right
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Thanks for the link Glenn. :) Nice back paddle on Wallace's part. His column Is right-hand drive right for Canada? went across Canada. Wayne (Crushers) has written a nice looooong letter to the editor of the TC and we hope to see it go across Canada. I think he and he & the TC editor agreed upon this:


While it is true that the allowance in the regulation for importation of vehicles that are 15 years old and older was designed for the acquiring of rare vehicles, what dictates a rare vehicle?
A young adult who purchases a rare (in Canada) diesel van to transport his family isn’t bypassing the law’s intent.
Canada has not “relaxed” its position in recent years. In the last 3 years RHD importation has been steadily declining as those that wanted the RHD vehicles have purchased them.
The only change that has occurred is the desire of the knowledgeable individuals to WHAT they WANT to drive. They shop for fuel efficient vehicles that provide the full range of possibilities.
My wife and I have been driving RHD vehicles for the last 10 years on a daily bases and we both have perfectly clean licenses, never involved in an accident, and have enjoyed the freedom that a RHD allows.
As with any “different” vehicle, a RHD vehicle takes very little to be comfortable driving.
Most conscientious drivers will be careful when driving something they are not used to driving. The only time a RHD vehicle is dangerous is when it is being controlled by an uncaring individual.
The ICBC report of 2 years ago has now been reviewed by their peers and found to be wanting.
There is no issue with entering traffic; if drivers cannot do this carefully in a RHD then they can not accomplish the same feat in a LHD vehicle.
Every driver, cyclist, jogger should be aware of his surroundings and I have yet to meet anyone that has been confused when the driver is on the right side of the vehicle.
It has never been the vehicle, be it LHD or RHD, it has always been the driver that makes a vehicle safe or unsafe.
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If the critics want safer RHD well we should lobby the gov't to relax the 15-year rule to 10, 5 years or 0 years so we can buy the newer JDMs and get the benefits of the more up-to-date safety improvements.
 
CAVI is going after Transport Canada to accept UNECE regs as equivalent to our own. Because of NAFTA, both our own saftey and environmental regs have to be changed to allow import of vehicles from Mexico. I believe Mexico uses UNECE regs. If they accept UNECE, then they no longer have a leg to stand on saying that it is because of our higher (BS) standards regarding safety and the environment. They either have to stop BS or say that the their regulations and the 15 yr and 25 yr rules are to protect the NA Auto Industry from competition. They can't demand that other countries open up their markets to free trade and not do the same.
 
Study still on ICBC web site

I see that ICBC still has the study and their flawed conclusions on their web site. I've fired off the following email to them today:

To whom it may concern,

I have noted that ICBC continues to have the same unsubstantiated claims about Right-Hand Drive on your web page: Safety research: Right-hand-drive vehicles. The validity of this report's conclusions have been sufficiently put into question by UBC's Statistical Consulting and Research Library that you can no longer make the claims you have made concerning Right Hand Drive vehicles. Please see http://ivoac.ca/docs/ICBC-RHD.pdf for a copy of this assessment.

I therefore request that you remove and publicly retract any such claims about Right Hand Drives.

Respectfully,

John
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I think we need a campaign to get them to pull it ASAP. It is still haunting us even though we have the assessment which shows that there are serious problems with the ICBC study.

Let's see how many letters we can get to them along the same lines. The emails don't have to be long. They should also be polite. I used the general inquiries form by clicking on "email" here: ICBC | Contact us

Remember, we have the TC columnist publicly recanting his article after looking at the ICBC study and the assessment of it commissioned by IVOAC.

Thanks,

John
 
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canucksafari said:
CAVI is going after Transport Canada to accept UNECE regs as equivalent to our own. Because of NAFTA, both our own saftey and environmental regs have to be changed to allow import of vehicles from Mexico. I believe Mexico uses UNECE regs. If they accept UNECE, then they no longer have a leg to stand on saying that it is because of our higher (BS) standards regarding safety and the environment. They either have to stop BS or say that the their regulations and the 15 yr and 25 yr rules are to protect the NA Auto Industry from competition. They can't demand that other countries open up their markets to free trade and not do the same.
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Does Toyota Mexico sell the V/8 turbo intercooled Cruiser - who reads Spanish out there - ??
 
Actually, we do have some free trade agreements with other countries who are likely to sell it with the diesel: Negotiations and Agreements, by Category. If anyone wants to look through these free trade agreements to see what is allowed from the automotive sector we might open up a whole new market to rattle CADA and the Manufacturers. :)
 
canucksafari said:
Sorry, no diesel engines there Glenn - not even for the Hiace or the Hilux.
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I could have told you that and I can't even read Spanish very well!! There are almost no privately owned diesels in Mexico and those that are there are US imports like a Dodge Cummins. Almost none of the medium duty trucks are diesel even!!
 
canucksafari said:
Actually, we do have some free trade agreements with other countries who are likely to sell it with the diesel: Negotiations and Agreements, by Category. If anyone wants to look through these free trade agreements to see what is allowed from the automotive sector we might open up a whole new market to rattle CADA and the Manufacturers. :)
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Your best bet is the free trade agreement with Panama Canada-Panama Free Trade Agreement From what I have been told, Panama is a country that allows ANY Toyota to be imported new. A "full line" if you like!! AND they are a left hand drive country just like us :)
 
canucksafari said:
Please feel free to share this study widely and use it as a reference when dealing with claims related to the ICBC study on Right Hand Drives.
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This report looks uncomplete. there are references to tables wich are missing. Is that the link to the full document?I dont see any real number in there... % etc... give us the number and let us analyse the conclusion...
 
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