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I have a 1994 HDJ81 (Japanese spec) 80 series Land Cruiser with a 1HD-T engine. I live in the Las Vegas area with very high temps in the summer months (115 -120 degrees.) My EGT's run high and I wish to install an intercooler. I understand an air to air intercooler is simpler and has less complications and/or potential failure points verses an air to water intercooler. What are the pros and cons of each system? What system will work better in my environment. The vehicle is used mostly for 4 wheeling off road in the desert and trips to Utah and Moab. The vehicle has stock 4.11gearing, automatic transmission and 35 inch wheels. The vehicle has factory A/C and an external transmission cooler.
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Air to water CONS: costs more, (generally) more wires, the pump and relay are parts that could fail one day, could leak boost or coolant, 2nd cooling system to maintain, PROS: very shot intake trac, less lag, no big pipes all over your engine bay, no turn signal lamp to pipe clearance issues, no need to drill big holes in the radiator support, the coolant hoses are very easy to run and don't get in the way, can use a pump controller to regulate your air intake temperature warmer air is not a bad thing for light load cruising, then when temps go up the pump automatically kicks on and brings the temps down, i have mine set at 100 degrees right now but I might turn it up higher. If you are at slow speeds and then punch it the water's thermal mass will help cool down that sudden burst of hot air better (think putting around slowly off road and then going up a hill climb)
 
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Air to air is simpler. Go front mount vs to mount so it doesn't heat soak due to engine heat.
For short bursts, water to air can absorb a lot of heat fast, but also holds onto heat longer than air to air. Once the Austen heat disks, it takes longer for water to air to shed that heat.
Air to air needs air flow, so for slow speed or desert work, you want a good engine fan, or good electric fans. With good airflow, air to air will recover from heat soak faster.

Water to air can have a very short intake path. Air to air especially front mount had a longer intake path, so lag might start to be a factor
 
Interesting. I have some additional questions

1. On an air to water intercooler. How do you monitor the temperature of the coolant? If the pump fails, I imagine the EGT will increase.

On both air to air and air to water systems. Are the auxiliary fans for the intercooler activated manually and/or activated automatically and/or deactivate at a certain temperature automatically with a temperature sensor?

Does having the intercooler mounted in front off the vehicle's radiator, A/C condenser and transmission aux oil cooler hinder with the vehicle's cooling efficiency?

If either system fails, would the EGT's just revert to the EGT temps of the vehicle prior to the intercooler install?
I appreciate everyones info. Maybe I'm just over thinking it. Are intercooler systems just install forget and play??

That You
 
Interesting. I have some additional questions

1. On an air to water intercooler. How do you monitor the temperature of the coolant? If the pump fails, I imagine the EGT will increase.
Temperature sensor, and a separate gauge.

EGT is mostly governed by combustion conditions. If the intake charge air is hotter, it will have some effect on EGTs, but it's not the main thing. You're more likely to see an impact in engine coolant temps.

On both air to air and air to water systems. Are the auxiliary fans for the intercooler activated manually and/or activated automatically and/or deactivate at a certain temperature automatically with a temperature sensor?
Set them up with a thermal switch. You can get switches that are activated at different temperatures, it may take some trial and error to find one that works for you.

Does having the intercooler mounted in front off the vehicle's radiator, A/C condenser and transmission aux oil cooler hinder with the vehicle's cooling efficiency?
Yes, to some extent. BUT, intercooling also means the engine is more fuel efficient, you get a denser intake air charge, a cleaner fuel burn, and lower combustion temperatures, so with more power output. so, there's less heat going into the coolant system for a given power output.

If either system fails, would the EGT's just revert to the EGT temps of the vehicle prior to the intercooler install?
Depends. Intercooling can give you the opportunity to tune more fuel into the mix, and make more power.
Take the intercooler out of the system without adjusting fuel settings back down, EGTs are likely to rise.

EGTs really only matter when squeezing the last 10-15% of power out of your engine in a given moment. If you're working the engine hard in a high gear pulling a boat over a mountain, you'll see EGTs peak. In normal driving, 95% of the time, EGTs don't matter at all. In normal driving, you'll almost never see EGTs hit a dangerous peak.
Watching EGTs all the time is an exercise in curiosity, or paranoia, depending on your own mindset.
If you had to bypass an intercooler to drive home, just don't flog it all the way home. Have some sympathy on it, and you'll be good

I appreciate everyones info. Maybe I'm just over thinking it.
It's kinda simple, kinda not. And what works for a gas engine isn't necessarily going to be ideal for a diesel engine.

Google "Dale Banks" and "intercooler"
He had a lot of great content out there related to turbo diesel performance.

There's also a good thread on intercoolers in the diesel tech section here in mud.

Water to air is suited to gas engines where they tend to make high boost for short bursts at a time.
Water absorbs heat fast, but sheds it slowly. In a gas engine, the turbo is not boosting most of the time. This gives time for heat to be exchanged from the intercoolers radiator, back to the air.
In a slow moving vehicle in a hot desert situation, once the water to air intercooler is heat soaked, it's going to struggle to shed heat and will stop being effective.

A diesel is making boost almost all the time it is being driven ( boost varies though). Air to air is better at shedding absorbed heat without getting heat soaked as fast (unless it's sitting on top of the engine and exposed to all the radiant heat within the engine bay).
In a desert scenario, an auxiliary fan on a front mount will help prevent heat soak for longer.

There's some advantages to water to air, but IMHO not enough in a diesel to justify the extra complexity, the extra cost of set up, and the added maintenance.

Are intercooler systems just install forget and play??
front mount air to air, yes, (particularly if you don't use an auxiliary fan), apart from the basic maintenance like checking hoses and clamps are in good order every now and then.

Top mount air to air, you need to keep fans and electrical system in good working order. This can be problematic due to being directly over a hot engine, turbo, exhaust etc.

Water to air adds a whole lot more complexity. You now have a modified intake test, a 2nd coolant system & pump, and electrical system to run it ask, and moving parts that you don't have with air to air. All this needs maintained. All this adds potential failure points.

Check out the long running thread in the diesel tech section
 
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Interesting. I have some additional questions

1. On an air to water intercooler. How do you monitor the temperature of the coolant? If the pump fails, I imagine the EGT will increase.

On both air to air and air to water systems. Are the auxiliary fans for the intercooler activated manually and/or activated automatically and/or deactivate at a certain temperature automatically with a temperature sensor?
1. you certainly could monitor the temp of the coolant but i think if your going to measure a temperature intake air temp is more important. most moderen engine have TMAP sensors Temperature + Manifold Air Pressure. they are about the same price as a MAP sensor, only require one more wire.

2. i would try without a fan first, if your still not meeting your goals with the system a fan can be added, any control can be used.
 
Temperature sensor, and a separate gauge.

EGT is mostly governed by combustion conditions. If the intake charge air is hotter, it will have some effect on EGTs, but it's not the main thing. You're more likely to see an impact in engine coolant temps.


Set them up with a thermal switch. You can get switches that are activated at different temperatures, it may take some trial and error to find one that works for you.


Yes, to some extent. BUT, intercooling also means the engine is more fuel efficient, you get a denser intake air charge, a cleaner fuel burn, and lower combustion temperatures, so with more power output. so, there's less heat going into the coolant system for a given power output.


Depends. Intercooling can give you the opportunity to tune more fuel into the mix, and make more power.
Take the intercooler out of the system without adjusting fuel settings back down, EGTs are likely to rise.

EGTs really only matter when squeezing the last 10-15% of power out of your engine in a given moment. If you're working the engine hard in a high gear pulling a boat over a mountain, you'll see EGTs peak. In normal driving, 95% of the time, EGTs don't matter at all. In normal driving, you'll almost never see EGTs hit a dangerous peak.
Watching EGTs all the time is an exercise in curiosity, or paranoia, depending on your own mindset.
If you had to bypass an intercooler to drive home, just don't flog it all the way home. Have some sympathy on it, and you'll be good


It's kinda simple, kinda not. And what works for a gas engine isn't necessarily going to be ideal for a diesel engine.

Google "Dale Banks" and "intercooler"
He had a lot of great content out there related to turbo diesel performance.

There's also a good thread on intercoolers in the diesel tech section here in mud.

Water to air is suited to gas engines where they tend to make high boost for short bursts at a time.
Water absorbs heat fast, but sheds it slowly. In a gas engine, the turbo is not boosting most of the time. This gives time for heat to be exchanged from the intercoolers radiator, back to the air.
In a slow moving vehicle in a hot desert situation, once the water to air intercooler is heat soaked, it's going to struggle to shed heat and will stop being effective.

A diesel is making boost almost all the time it is being driven ( boost varies though). Air to air is better at shedding absorbed heat without getting heat soaked as fast (unless it's sitting on top of the engine and exposed to all the radiant heat within the engine bay).
In a desert scenario, an auxiliary fan on a front mount will help prevent heat soak for longer.

There's some advantages to water to air, but IMHO not enough in a diesel to justify the extra complexity, the extra cost of set up, and the added maintenance.


front mount air to air, yes, (particularly if you don't use an auxiliary fan), apart from the basic maintenance like checking hoses and clamps are in good order every now and then.

Top mount air to air, you need to keep fans and electrical system in good working order. This can be problematic due to being directly over a hot engine, turbo, exhaust etc.

Water to air adds a whole lot more complexity. You now have a modified intake test, a 2nd coolant system & pump, and electrical system to run it ask, and moving parts that you don't have with air to air. All this needs maintained. All this adds potential failure points.


Check it the long running thread in the diesel tech section
^^everything this guy said^^
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