Hard Brake = Blown Wheel Cylinder?

[Brodie]

Hey guys,
The other day I had a real hard brake when a BMW cut in front of me on a downhill coming to a stop, I was doing about 40 and came to a stop real real fast, one of those "code brown" situations where the ABS is popping away for a good eight seconds of terror or so.

After this I noticed my braking declining rapidly, and today my BRAKE light stayed on after releasing my parking brake and I had to go to the floor to get her to stop, I refilled the brake fluid reservoir and it drank a whole bottle and braking didn't get much better.

I checked all my wheels and noticed on my rear passenger wheel a lot of fluid. Looking into it further and after searching here I think I may have blown out the "Wheel Cylinder". There's no severed or cracked lines, and I didn't notice any leaking in the engine bay.

I'm the first to admit I know jack-all about brakes and Japanese cars, I love the Land Cruiser with a passion so I'm going to get this fixed but what am I looking at for cost, how much does this part run and how many hours is it to replace.

I can't do the work myself, my living situation doesn't permit a whole lot of DIY and I lack the tools for proper brake work.

Here's what I see under there:

THANKS!

 

[jfz80]

welcome. Sorry for the troubles there but glad you caught it safely and in time to prevent real problems.

First off wash the truck off if necessary, brake fluid is highly caustic and will ruin paint if its slung onto any painted surface. Looks indeed like a caliper piston seal blown. Two options would be to rebuild the rear calipers w/ parts from CDAN at $30 (both sides) IIRC or replace the caliper w/a reman'd unit at around $75 each. Id prolly order a reman and slap it on there in an hour when it arrives, bleed the brakes and keep cruisin'.

 

[D'Animal]

There are a few mudder on Oahu.

PM them and see if they could give you a hand and loan you some driveway space.

 

[Brodie]

welcome. Sorry for the troubles there but glad you caught it safely and in time to prevent real problems.

First off wash the truck off if necessary, brake fluid is highly caustic and will ruin paint if its slung onto any painted surface. Looks indeed like a caliper piston seal blown. Two options would be to rebuild the rear calipers w/ parts from CDAN at $30 (both sides) IIRC or replace the caliper w/a reman'd unit at around $75 each. Id prolly order a reman and slap it on there in an hour when it arrives, bleed the brakes and keep cruisin'.

Thanks,
I'm not really worried about my paint since it's shot to hell as it is (Hawaii sun + Toyota clearcoat = not good) but I'll be sure to spray down the undercarriage as soon as I can.

Like I mentioned earlier tho, I don't believe I can do the work myself. I don't have a brake bleeder, proper jacks, or a driveway where I can do it. So am I looking at maybe 2 hours plus about $50-$100 in parts for a shop?

 

[Brodie]

There are a few mudder on Oahu.

PM them and see if they could give you a hand and loan you some driveway space.

If I can find someone I might.
The problem is in actually driving the car anywhere, it's got damn near no braking ability right now and I don't want to get on the freeway here (which you pretty much have to do to get anywhere) without some stopping ability.

 

[D'Animal]

Top off the fluid and do Night-time run with the E-brake. Just kidding.

I will try to look up a few of the members and send you a PM.

 

[hawaiicruz]

Welcome Brah
To bad about your brakes not to hard of a job, just make sure to bleed thoroughly after you change the parts, including LSPV. just search under Brakes you'll get all the info you need to tackle it yourself. I'm on big island otherwise I would help

 

[Brodie]

Top off the fluid and do Night-time run with the E-brake. Just kidding.

I will try to look up a few of the members and send you a PM.

Thanks man.

Welcome Brah
To bad about your brakes not to hard of a job, just make sure to bleed thoroughly after you change the parts, including LSPV. just search under Brakes you'll get all the info you need to tackle it yourself. I'm on big island otherwise I would help

Thanks, been lurking a while, only really post when I have a problem or question, at least till I get my rig set up enough to post it and begin to brag a bit, if that'll ever happen.

From what I've seen I think I'll buy those Superbleeders and take it from there, anybody have a link (I searched, just got more confused) for the thing I have to do? Am I completely rebuilding the caliper?

 

[Michael Hanson]

Fix quick or drive real slow on flat parts only. 2 cents Mike

 

[bull]

You have a piston leaking fluid.

Worst case scenario...(this is stuck in the middle of the desert with nobody to help.)
If you need to limp it someplace or make it home you can buy vice grips and pinch off that line and drive slowly on 3 brakes to get to your destination. This is emergency type only maneuver.

If the rig is at your house and you can't fix it yourself. Call a tow truck and take it to a shop and have the rear brakes done. Both sides. Turn the rotors etc.

If you don't care about doing it right you can buy a re-manufactured loaded caliper and bolt it on and go.
Literally is taking off the wheel. Removing two bolts and brake line, slap new caliper on, hook up bolts and brake line. Bleed and you are done.

 

[Brodie]

You have a piston leaking fluid.

Worst case scenario...(this is stuck in the middle of the desert with nobody to help.)
If you need to limp it someplace or make it home you can buy vice grips and pinch off that line and drive slowly on 3 brakes to get to your destination. This is emergency type only maneuver.

If the rig is at your house and you can't fix it yourself. Call a tow truck and take it to a shop and have the rear brakes done. Both sides. Turn the rotors etc.

If you don't care about doing it right you can buy a re-manufactured loaded caliper and bolt it on and go.
Literally is taking off the wheel. Removing two bolts and brake line, slap new caliper on, hook up bolts and brake line. Bleed and you are done.

Well at this point I care more about cost. Most of the Toyota shops here charge about $100hr for work and I want to avoid that.
I can likely get her to my girlfriends house pretty easy and swap out a caliper, I just don't trust myself to do a caliper rebuild so I'd rather get a whole one loaded up.
I think getting those speedbleeders would be a good idea anyway since I'm usually stuck doing most of the work alone as it is, plus later on down the line when I might have to do this again it'll help.

So, where can I get a loaded caliper from? Would CDan or Spectre carry it?

Thanks everyone, so much help in these forums, it's really awesome!

 

[D'Animal]

I will try to look up a few of the members and send you a PM.

Here are some of the guys on Oahu.

Atice
me_tu05
Volcanocruiser
lovetractor
Oahu Grown

Send them a PM or an e-mail. Me_tu05 is the most frequent poster. There is another one on the island who posts frequently but I cannot remember his screen name.

They may help you this time and you may help them next time

Mahalo!

 

[bull]

Any decent automotive shop should have one or a set. Call the local shops first and work your way out.

Ask for a re-manufactured LOADED caliper

 

[Brodie]

Okay, thanks

Before I go bothering and PM'n anyone...

1. Any idea on the cost of parts/hours required for a shop to do this

2. Anyone know where I can get a loaded rear passenger side caliper, if I do so choose to do it myself.

3. If any of the Oahu guys want to chime in and recommend a shop, I have one in mind, but I'd like to hear it.

PM me or post info here, any help is appreciated! (Hell, I'll even send a Coconut Monkey to any especially helpful Mud Member)

Thanks!

 

[D'Animal]

Call James at Aloha Power equipment and ask him who works on his rig. He is not on MUD.

 

[mainemike]

I bet the local mudders will be willing to help you out with this one. If not, you probably don't need to be overly concerned about who does the job - any shop can install a caliper for you. I'd think an hour is fair if all goes smoothly. If time/shipping from the mainland is an issue you should be able to find a caliper locally. If you do choose a shop remind them of the 5th bleed point on the LSPV - they won't be expecting that one.

 

[Brodie]

Well, no luck with the local Toyota Cartel (Servco Toyota is all Hawaii has) on a reman'd one, going to try the NAPA and Shucks/Checkers guys tomorrow

If I had to go online, in anyone's opinion/experience which would be best (seems like what I need):

OR DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A BETTER ONLINE SOURCE???

1. AC Delco - "Reman Friction Ready Caliper"
Best Value Auto Parts

2. AC Delco - "Reman Semi-Metallic Loaded Caliper"
Best Value Auto Parts

3. Cardone - "Reman Bolt-On Ready Caliper w/Installation Hardware & Pad"
Best Value Auto Parts

 

[bull]

NAPA Online

 

[Brodie]

NAPA Online

Ahhhh, should have checked that, thanks
What does "Semi-Loaded" mean? Missing pads?

 

[bull]

Not sure.. If there is an option for loaded get that. Don't mess around