FJs 91/92 vs FZJ: not ready? (1 Viewer)

[Landpimp]

remember that the 91-2 got very different motors in places other then the US(which is such a small LC market)..........like nice diesels(even TD's) I bet the percentage of of 3fe's to dsl was quite small. also the 3f I recall was used in alot of 3rd world markets and the 3f is desmoged and carbed and much peppier than a 3fe.


but yes Toyota had to change the body style to compete with the highroof rigs(and more luxo) that were out, like the Montaro, trooper, Patrol ect. Yes there was the 61 high roofs but they were made to "make do" Reading old Aussie mags, 88 was when the public was expecting a new body style........they didn't get em to late 89/90

 

[RavenTai]

soooo, getting back to the point , was it a good idea you think, in retropect, for Toy to come out with the 80 as they did?

how about putting it this way, If the 1FZ truly was not ready then they only had the 3FE, Toyota had two choices keep putting out the dated looking FJ-62 with the 3FE or put out the 80 with a 3FE, either way you were getting a 3FE

62 is a good vehicle but if the 80 had waited for the 1FZ then the Toyota lot in 92 would have looked something like this:

And finally the most expensive, flag ship 92 Toyota

See anything that does not fit?

 

[IdahoDoug]

As a former product planner for Lexus, I can definitevely explain why the new 4.5L engine came out after a few years of the new body - quality. Toyota learned a long time ago that introducing a new body and a new engine at the same time diminishes quality. Let's say 50% of the quality glitches come from each. By staggering them intentionally, the new model comes out of the chute with 50% less problems (it's actually way less due to the synergy of having less fires to stomp out during production engineering). The vehicle sells well because it looks different and snazzy. Then, as sales begin to level off - the new engine appears and relights the sales fire for a couple more years. All this time, the average quality is much higher than if they'd done body/engine together. That's how the domestics do it and it's a major part of their low quality.

Look at Toyota (and most Asians, actually) and you'll see this pattern quite often because it works. This is the real reason they did it. As Toyota gathers more experience in introducing new models, this strategy is being used less often. Toyota today is by far the most amazingly concise and accurate at putting out first year models without a blip in quality. Naturally, they'll be taking advantage of this new capability.

DougM