Curb weight
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I think you'd end up with about 1650 to 1700kg
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Thanks, now I have to figure out what a Kilogram is.........Jk.
Anyway I misread the 3263 lbs for a softop and 3427 lbs for a hard top. So the diesel version really adds 400-500 lbs (3647 to 3747 lbs)? That doesn't seem right. Is that a guess or a fact you definitly know? Is that curb weight? I know the gas engine is pretty heavy so I would guess the diesel version add very little if any to the curb weight.
Anyway I misread the 3263 lbs for a softop and 3427 lbs for a hard top. So the diesel version really adds 400-500 lbs (3647 to 3747 lbs)? That doesn't seem right. Is that a guess or a fact you definitly know? Is that curb weight? I know the gas engine is pretty heavy so I would guess the diesel version add very little if any to the curb weight.
Where are you getting your figures from? Because now that I'm looking ..... I can't find the source for my 1700kg (3740 lbs) figure.
1700 is just a "tare weight" for my BJ40 (with hardtop) that has always stuck in my head.
And with the stuff people always have onboard (like fuel, driver, and tools etc) I have always thought that one would be lucky to achieve this figure in practice.
I agree that that diesel and petrol versions should weigh very similar.
Here's another approach then:
In this country your vehicle needs to undergo six-monthly "Warrant of Fitness" checks by authorities to ascertain whether it is still fit to be on the road. And the machine that measures the "braking effect" on each wheel also records axle weights. I wrote down the figures once and they were: Front-700kg and Rear-750kg. So that's 1450kg (3190lbs) total. But that seems too light - which is why I never took much notice of it at the time! (And I had a trailer attached so the rear axle figure included a drawbar weight of say 10kg.)
A weigh-bridge may be your only answer. (Post up the result if you do it.)
We had this discussion on the wagon forum and I think the only accurate number is the one you get yourself from a scale. The numbers on paper have never matched the weight I get off the scale.
Tony
Tony
Holy crap, every 6 months? wow... Here in the netherlands, when a vehicle is over 30years old it only needs to go ever the pit once every 2 years, and when it's over 50years old it doesn't need to go over the pits at all any more
. (mine is 45 now
).Even Aus doesn't have such strict regulations.
sorry for going offtopic here.
What regulations,the govt looks at the vehicle when its new and never sees it again unless its reported for making pollution, excessive noise,or over the top modifications
(WAust regs )What regulations,the govt looks at the vehicle when its new and never sees it again unless its reported for making pollution, excessive noise,or over the top modifications
hehe yeah.
Most accidents are caused by drunks. I have yet to see a headline where someone was killed due to a rickety car "causing" the accident. Cops do a good enough job of getting crappy cars off the road IMO.
Over here (VIC) the vehicle also needs to have an inspection if there is a change of owners. Roadworthy's are carried out by gov approved mechanics (most mechanics are). You then take the vehicle and the roadworthy certificate to the RTA (Road Traffic Authority) and all they do is check the engine and chassis number. The day of the gov Pit inspections are long gone.
Holy crap, every 6 months? wow... Here in the netherlands, when a vehicle is over 30years old it only needs to go ever the pit once every 2 years, and when it's over 50years old it doesn't need to go over the pits at all any more
Even Aus doesn't have such strict regulations.
sorry for going offtopic here.
What regulations,the govt looks at the vehicle when its new and never sees it again unless its reported for making pollution, excessive noise,or over the top modifications
I agree 100% (You've opened a wound now!)
Trouble is ...the well off bastards that make the laws here are exempt because a vehicle needs to be more than 3 years old to come under this "6-monthly-check regime" and they flick their vehicles on before they get that old. (Perhaps the trigger is "2 years" - I dunno because I've never owned a vehicle here that's anywhere near that new.)
And of course there's a whole industry here built up around doing these checks - so they're not going to let that amount of business vanish without a fight.
Strangely enough - The general public here don't seem to complain about it. (But I've moaned quite a bit - Even here on MUD before now!)
Basically "Big Brother" doesn't trust us to maintain our vehicles in a safe condition.
A check takes around 1/2 hour (not including driving to and from the Testing-Station) and costs about $50 to $60!
The cost is rising all the time and they're getting stricter with their inspections all the time too.
Maybe I should emigrate?
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I got those figures from wikipedia: Toyota Land Cruiser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So wikipedia isn't always the best source but everything they said seemed to be accurate so I'll believe it. Curb weight is weight of a bone stock vehicle with bone stock tires and full of fluids no passsengers. This is the figure the manufactor comes up with. To me it's a good base to start at because it doesn't account for passengers, how many of them, bigger tires, how much they all weigh, extra burger king wrappers, ect, ect and all the variables.
So I think your figure is accurate.
So wikipedia isn't always the best source but everything they said seemed to be accurate so I'll believe it. Curb weight is weight of a bone stock vehicle with bone stock tires and full of fluids no passsengers. This is the figure the manufactor comes up with. To me it's a good base to start at because it doesn't account for passengers, how many of them, bigger tires, how much they all weigh, extra burger king wrappers, ect, ect and all the variables.
So I think your figure is accurate.
What regulations,the govt looks at the vehicle when its new and never sees it again unless its reported for making pollution, excessive noise,or over the top modifications
I'm in Broome (WA
) atm, and I love WA regulations. As long as it's registered it doesn't need a roadworthy certificate or anything. You only need to pay the rego in time and thats it. It's only when it runs out of rego and it's a POS that the problem start to get it to go through the inspection again with pretty strict rules.We got the same in NL. New cars are exempt for the first 3years. After that they need to go over the pit every year at a by the governement certified garage. Obviously this is gonna cost you. How much depends on the garage, there are no set prices for this. For me at the moment it's even cheaper than normal as mine is exempt from the smoke test (vehicles built before '78 are exempt) or whatever it's called, where they stick a probe up it's arse to measure particle content or whatever (diesel).
Normal price would be around AU$100 for a diesel and AU@80 for a petrol. Usually prices go up and rarely do they go down.. As usual.
I'll only need to have mine inspected for another 3 times and that's it, never again after that
(till the change all that again ofcourse)
Yes I think their figures (softop 3263 lb/1480 kg - hardtop 3427 lb/1554 kg) should certainly be a good guide.
The more I think about it ... the more I think my 1700kg Tare Weight (for my hardtop version) probably came from "New Zealand officialdom". (They use "Tare Weights" and "Gross Weights" to work out fees/taxes). And they are bound to have been sloppy and likely leant towards an "over-estimation".
Thanks. So from this I believe "curb weight" and "tare weight" have the same meaning. (Incidentally - "Full of all fluids" excludes fuel as I understand it.)
Sound like you are interested in keeping your vehicle weight down as low as possible.
I cringe when I see the weight of some of the add-ons people have.
I think light-weight is a MAJOR advantage - particularly in off-road driving. And i believe a stock 40-series cruiser is pretty much the ultimate at combining "light-weight" with "strength".
(Compare the curb weight of a 40-series with that of any later series model!)
PS. Only joking about emigrating... I'm happy here.
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Oh ya it's amazing what some people think they can do with a heavy rig. I've seen crew cab ford diesels running around in the sand dunes and they wonder why they get stuck. On the flip side I've seen samurai's do some incredible things off road, as well as the old flatfender jeeps. They both weigh about 2100 lbs. I would probably run with one of those but samurai's are butt ugly and I already run my dodge diesel on WVO so I want a 4x4 diesel to do the same thing. So unless I want to some major wrenching on something I think a cruiser diesel is the way to go.
Yep. I've seen Suzukis outperform almost everything off-road simply because of their lightweight ... but they've got no style! (...Bit like comparing a 4-wheel-motorbike with a "traditional 4WD".)
And while a 1942 Jeep has style (and is also so lightweight that one person can practically "lift a corner by themselves") - it shares the Suzuki's problem of being so light that towing things with it becomes impossible/suicidal.
Which are reasons why I've always considered a forty to be "top of the pile".
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There's the famous drag racers motto, "there's no replacement for displacement." Even though I've never drag raced I don't agree with that motto. There is a replacement for displacement; lightweight. I think landcruisers are the best thing out there for all around rig. Since I need a diesel it's a great, turn key that I will probably end up going with. But the light weight of a flatfender jeep or samurai is very tempting. Especially since it's going to be my extra rig for hunting and four wheeling only. I live outside the DEQ zone so only have to insure it and pay $60 every 4 years to register it. Even insuring it there's a legal way around that, I used to do back in my high school days. Probably a little too backwoods method now. I guess it will just depend on what's selling out there and if I want to drive to canada to import a cruiser...........Even though the US doesn't make half the country DEQ they think diesels are the root of all eveil when it comes to air pollution for some reason. Maybe I should just tell them I plan to run WVO which burns cleaner. Then I can really open a can of illegal worms.