Markuson
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Since you absolutely plan to leave it stock, then that makes sense to me. OOMV...
2015 vs. 2016+??? (1 Viewer)
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Since you absolutely plan to leave it stock, then that makes sense to me. OOMV...
I'd suggest doing a lot of reading and searching on this forum because your questions/observations come up with some regularity. The market sets the residual on these, and the market says the massive upgrades the 200 got in 2016 warrant a significant step up in price. I have an 08 LX, 16 LC, and I sold a 14 LC last year. I think the jump in price between the 15 and the 16 is warranted, and I put my money where my mouth is and bought one. I mostly daily drive the LX, and even though it's 11 years old with 168k it drives every bit as well as the 16 but is quieter and more comfortable.
How you spend your money is up to you, but if you want comfort and value, an early LX is hands down the best value.
I drive a '14 LX and '17 LC regularly. I prefer the 6 speed transmission to the 8 speed. I haven't had any problems with the 8 speed, I just prefer the feel and shift points of the 6 speed. I prefer the updated interior of the '17 LC, but neither interior is spectacular or spartan.
The '14 LX rides on OEM suspension and the '17 LC has BP-51 suspension.
If the money saved allows you to enjoy another purchase or experience, I don't think you'll be disappointed with the '15 or older version of either 200.
The '14 LX rides on OEM suspension and the '17 LC has BP-51 suspension.
If the money saved allows you to enjoy another purchase or experience, I don't think you'll be disappointed with the '15 or older version of either 200.
The suspension on my 2013 LC is still stock. As Markuson said, it is pretty soft and can be wallow a bit. It has plenty of nose dive in emergency braking, as the picture above demonstrates. It isn’t as bad as my old ‘03 4Runner, perhaps partly because of the longer wheelbase and wider track. But I would like a bit more suspension composure over large bumps without getting too stiff.
I’d like to upgrade my suspension, but I’m still in analysis paralysis: too many choices and no clear way to determine which would be best for me except through expensive trial and error.
I’d like to upgrade my suspension, but I’m still in analysis paralysis: too many choices and no clear way to determine which would be best for me except through expensive trial and error.
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mcgaskins,
Great reply. Its these upgrades that I am trying to understand. Eight speed trans is one that matters. I'll dig around and try to understand this because the price differential is significant.
Sadly, it doesn’t seem that the 8-speed has had any measurable impact on fuel economy.
If you go to Fuelly.com, you can browse fuel economy for Land Cruiser owners, grouped by year. The number of vehicles is relatively small, unfortunately, so the statistics aren’t great — I would ignore the 2018 entry as that only had 6 owners reporting.
These entries are tracked by the owner entering odometer and gallons pumped into a phone app at every fill up.
Looking at that data, there doesn’t appear to be a significant difference between the 2014 through 2017. The same has been reported here on Mud, that the 8-speed had no significant impact on fuel economy.
I would prefer the 2016+ model, but as described previously that is for issues other than the transmission.
If you go to Fuelly.com, you can browse fuel economy for Land Cruiser owners, grouped by year. The number of vehicles is relatively small, unfortunately, so the statistics aren’t great — I would ignore the 2018 entry as that only had 6 owners reporting.
These entries are tracked by the owner entering odometer and gallons pumped into a phone app at every fill up.
Looking at that data, there doesn’t appear to be a significant difference between the 2014 through 2017. The same has been reported here on Mud, that the 8-speed had no significant impact on fuel economy.
I would prefer the 2016+ model, but as described previously that is for issues other than the transmission.
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I just read an Edmunds description of 2016 LX new upgrades;
What's new for 2016
For 2016, the Lexus LX 570 gets a new eight-speed automatic transmission, Lexus' Drive Mode Select system, revised styling, a slew of new or upgraded interior touches, and additional safety and infotainment features. The body is also a little longer and wider, benefiting second-row legroom.
I dont see the justification for a $20K difference in KBB value between '15 and '16. Am I being thick?
What's new for 2016
For 2016, the Lexus LX 570 gets a new eight-speed automatic transmission, Lexus' Drive Mode Select system, revised styling, a slew of new or upgraded interior touches, and additional safety and infotainment features. The body is also a little longer and wider, benefiting second-row legroom.
I dont see the justification for a $20K difference in KBB value between '15 and '16. Am I being thick?
indycole
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I think at that point it's going to depend on condition of the vehicle and how much the features, color, etc. match what you're looking for. I purchased a 2016 LC new and opted for the updated features and interior color over a lightly used 2015 LX at relatively similar price points. That said, I'd also steer you toward the LX first.
Drive them both and decide for yourself. Only way to tell.
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I should do this. Thanks.
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Nope. I agree I should inspect each. But its going to have to be pretty darn special to justify a $15-20K diff.
The '06LX is going to shop on Monday. They have a '15 that I can look at so I'll come away with a pretty good sense of the change in '16.
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Exactly a year ago I bought my 2015 LC with 19K on the clock. I'm 64 and I'm hoping to drive this beast forever. If in fact you're looking to do the same don't be guided by the money , unless you're really stretching on the purchase? Drive both and see which one has more appeal for YOU? The difference in price over 20 years is nothing. So, buy what you love and what you can afford today and hope it's your last ? Never having to buy another vehicle will save a ton of money over time as well. Let us know how it all works out?
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Bendcruiser,
You been talking to my wife? She reminds me of my BMW purchase years ago. I REALLY wanted a 7 series, but my conservative nature took over and I settled on a 5 series. The car was OK, but I never got over the empty feeling I had every time I saw a 7 series. Her advice is identical to yours. Point taken.
You been talking to my wife? She reminds me of my BMW purchase years ago. I REALLY wanted a 7 series, but my conservative nature took over and I settled on a 5 series. The car was OK, but I never got over the empty feeling I had every time I saw a 7 series. Her advice is identical to yours. Point taken.
I shopped LX's and LC's for months before buying a '16 in October. I decided that i wanted a lowish mileage one with a warranty, i liked the updated front end better and the interior was a much cleaner layout. I also do not intend to do much off-roading but will pull my motorcycle trailer to various road racing and off road events so comfort was paramount (coming from an FJ Cruiser!). The LX was my first choice but as you have found.... they are pricey for the '16 and up models. I probably should have waited another year and got the LX but the LC was only an hour and a half away and they offered my a great trade in price for the FJ. No regrets here though.... i don't think you can go wrong with either!
Bob I had the exact same reasoning that you did and I bought a CPO 2015 I’m 70 years old I’ve had about six land cruiser /LXs before my vehicle is a 2015 LX 570 CPOed I think is the best looking 200 series made mine had 20,000 miles on it when I bought it, it will last me until I die. I think you’re on the right track
I don’t think there was any upgrade 2015 to 2016 in the LX 570 there were some changes made but they were not positive in my book
The 2016+ LX cup holders were placed right next to the climate controls. Get in one and put a 32oz. Yeti cup in it. Then try to access all the buttons. Also note your cup is scraping against your expensive LX interior.
This is the single worst ergonomic decision Toyota made on the LX when they did the upgrade. That and the weird controller instead of touchscreen would lead me to a 15.
This is the single worst ergonomic decision Toyota made on the LX when they did the upgrade. That and the weird controller instead of touchscreen would lead me to a 15.
I bought a 15 LX CPO in the last year (27K miles) and it's the nicest car I or anyone I know owns by far. The AHC suspension is exceptional on all surfaces and I would describe the highway ride as the best in any car I've been in. The gas mileage is an abomination, but low gas prices and other priorities (Safety, Comfort, Utility) invalidate the issue pretty quickly.
While the 2016+ interior are a definite upgrade over 2015 LX, the 15 LX interior is an upgrade on any other 2015 make/model vehicle from any other brand I was interested in buying. Its like comparing a 50" Flat Screen to 65" Flat Screen, when all you've ever watched TV on is a 32" tube tv.
While the 2016+ interior are a definite upgrade over 2015 LX, the 15 LX interior is an upgrade on any other 2015 make/model vehicle from any other brand I was interested in buying. Its like comparing a 50" Flat Screen to 65" Flat Screen, when all you've ever watched TV on is a 32" tube tv.
