14b-t or 13b-t

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Hey Snail, how did you get on with the output shaft and bell housing bolt pattern? I thought the 15B mated to the M152 and R151 rather than the H55F. Do you have to change the output shaft?

This is something that I have been considering for a while now too.

Hey Milo, i remember your post from awhile back asking about the 15B.

I havent got as far as mounting an engine in yet as im still trying to source a 15BFT. I could grab a F engine, and mount a turbo on it - but id rather wait for an FT. The FTE has more power as well as larger crankshaft main and big end journals, but the wiring headaches wouldnt make it worthwhile.

Did you find out which kind of engine it was that you sourced, a FT or FTE??? I've spoken to a few Aussie engine importers about the FT. They have sold a few, but they have all been sold and paid for before the container even lands in Oz.

As for mounting the 15B to a gearbox, i had heard/read several reports regarding the block bolt pettern. Some were saying it was the same as the other B series, some were saying it wasnt. Since this was the major deciding factor of using the 15B i decidied to try and reslove this myself. I managed to find a 15BF at a truck wreckers not far from where i live, so i wandered down with a BJ74 bellhousing only to find that it was a perfect fit (as seen in the photos above).

The way that i see it is if the landcruiser bellhousing bolts up to the engine, then a H55F can be used behind it (providing you use a gearbox from a 3B/13BT with the correct, longer, fine spline input shaft).

The 15B's have the M153 and M155 5 speeds, as well as the H260 6 speed behind them (possibly others). The clutch plate would quite likely have to be changed, as the truck gearbox would probably use a different spline size/count input shaft to the landcruiser gearbox - no biggie.

Another thing you may have to deal with is the flywheel. Some have an 11" flywheel, others have a 12". Its easy to tell which one the engine has, as the 11" equipped engine would be bolted to a gearbox which uses a one piece bellhousing (the engine in the photo with the bj74 bellhousing on it would have a 11" flywheel). While the engines that use a 12" have a two piece bellhousing, where a low profile housing is bolted to the engine first, followed by the flywheel. The gearbox and main bellhousing are then bolted up. The two piece setup is shown in the photos below of the FTE.

As far as i can tell the blocks are the same, so if you end up with an engine fitted with the 12" setup, it would just be a matter of removing it, and installing a 11" flywheel.

The main difference between a 14B and 15B block is the position of the piston skirt cooler oil jets.

The 14B, like all previous B's (except, i think the 2B???) have the oil jets pressed into the lefthand side of the block - as seen in the photo of the 14B. Whereas the 15B has the oil nozzles mounted on the underside of the block, secured with a threaded bolt (check valve). A similar setup to that used in the 2JZ-GTE and some 2UZ engines.

HTH
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One was a 15B-FT from National Truck Spares (http://www.nationaltruckspares.com.au/). They might be able to ship to NZ. That was complete with radiator and intercooler and had a 6 month, 50,000km parts and labour waranty.

The other that I sourced was a 15B-F from API Engines (http://www.apiengines.com.au) so wasn't turbocharged. Either way I haven't got the money to do anything about it just yet. Plus my little 3B is still going strong. When that kicks the can will be when I have to do something. Until then it can wait and I'll continue to tidy other stuff up.
 
Snailtrail (deadly name), surely someone has figured the electronics behind the 15bfte. Wouldn't mind havin' a go myself, if I had a whole vehicle to start with.:D

Milo, how much do nationaltruck want for their 15bft, I can't see any reference to price on the site, or have ya gotta ringem to find out $$$?:cool:
 
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I emailed them for the price. It was January last year so I imagine the price may have changed. They quoted $7,950 AUD on the 15B Turbo intercooled with 50,000km and 6 months parts and warranty.
 
Snailtrail (deadly name), surely someone has figured the electronics behind the 15bfte. Wouldn't mind havin' a go myself, if I had a whole vehicle to start with.:D

Milo, how much do nationaltruck want for their 15bft, I can't see any reference to price on the site, or have ya gotta ringem to find out $$$?:cool:


Welcome to the forum mate.

The wiring side of things doesnt worry me too much, as that kind of work is becoming more common these days with more and more people playing around with late model engines.

Alot of these engines are being fitted to older vehicles using the donor cars wiring loom and computer, which quite often has to be modified to run the engine without some of the original sensors/systems.

One such example is when an engine that was only ever fitted to a automatic tranmission is fitted to a manual gearbox, when the factory computer fails to pick up readings from the auto trans, it goes into 'limp mode'. This is were the computer is altered to ignore those (and often other) readings so the engine will perform as normal.

I know of at least one place here in NZ that deals with those kind of mods... so it might cost a few $$$ but it can be done.

On the other hand, in the case of the FTE, it may be as simple as picking out the wires from the loom that run from the computer to the engine, mounting it all in, hooking up the power, and your away laughing...

I cant say the thought of trying it hasnt crossed my mind, but what bothers me is the fact that computers can (and do) fail. Is the more power/less fuel consumption worth the hassle of, everytime you start your truck, thinking 'am i going to end up stranded'.

Im fairly new to the diesel scene, but i have to admit, i like the simplicity/reliability of the mechanical pumped diesel. As long as your battery/starter is in good health the engine will fire up - and theres not much that will stop it until you turn the key off!

I think ill stick with the FT

But im hoping someone will chime in and say 'yeah, ive done it, ive mounted an FTE, simple as' heres a bunch of pictures/info.

Anyone... anyone...
 
Snail, yeah I'm with u on the "someone has done it and this is how". I see what you're sayin', but that extra hp n torque, mmmm. :D :D
How much those wreckers want for those complete 15bftes in vehicles, or their fone numbers/addresses. pm me if you can, I mite not have access yet.

ps Great fotos too, there the sort of ones u want when you're doin' the conversion.
 
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15B FTE in Indonesia

In november 2005, I buy this 15B FTE( new engine ), instal to Fj 40 78, to make it run we must buy :
- new engine came without powerstering pump & starter
-EDU Driver, spill valve control (89871-36010)
-ECU ( 9717580-302 )
-Accelerator pedal sensor
-21 piece connector
-intercooler
-13 BT flywheel,( 15B FTE flywhell is 1" bigger but 4 kg lighter

actualy the 15B FTE is only 135 HP , but you can have max torque almost from idle speed
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HI Guys, hope you are all doing OK after so many years. I was wondering if any of you can tell me if I can use my original 3B block but mate it with a 4B head for example. Need to overhaul the engine and was thinking to convert it to a more modern powertrain but unfortunately for legal reasons I need to keep the block. Thanks in advance
 

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