Who has taken their 100 on the Rubicon?

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Sorry if it came off that way. Not my intent whatsoever, I apologize. It seemed like the conversation was leaning towards "was it possible". I guess what I was trying to say was that as much as we want to make the 100 a do anything vehicle, and place it on a pedestal above all others, it simply isn't built to run that trail. I think that's why it's not routinely done. If you need a support group of rock stackers, spotters, assistance, extra major parts, the likelihood of damage, and the possibility of not being able to drive your truck home......it doesn't seem like an idea that most 100 owners would jump at. There are thousands of 100 owners on MUD, just a handful of those are built enough to attempt it. An even smaller number of those actually use their trucks.

I fully intend to ride along with bluecruiser when he does it though. Or, more than likely I'll walk slowly alongside him and have to wait up every once in a while.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the majority of this post.
The same was once claimed about the 80 series and those claims were proven wrong. The 100s that run through the rubicon are not rock crawlers (yet), but that's not to say they require a "support group of rock stackers, spotters, assistance, extra major parts, ..."

me too

Not sure why commenting on spotters is an issue. Even experianced drivers need spotters as they don't have the perspective from outside the truck. I had to spot the trai leader on Metal masher in Moab out of a rut.

I would sign up with Andy's wagon run in my 100 again in the future.

Stan, you could do this. It's like Black bear pass. The pictures and stories make it seem harder than it is. The trail isnt that hard compared to stuff here, its just the all day for several days of obstacles and its easy to get distracted or lose focus because your tired. Thats when spotters can also help you on an obstacle. As you know, a lot of times a spotter is the guy in front of you looking out his mirror talking to you on the radio "Watch out for the drop on the left".
 
I was in no way saying spotters are a negative. I'm a firm believer in trusting my spotter and not even looking at the trail unless needed. That's why I prefer to run tougher trails with a group I trust.

I wouldn't be opposed to trying it. If we're getting a group together, I'm in. Clearly, I didn't know what I was talking about a few posts up. Perfect example of talking out of position. Those of you who've done it know what it takes, I'm never above listening and learning.
 
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One more thing to add.....stole this from the Rubithon thread. Good info. I'm humble enough. In most cases, I'm doubting my own ability and look for reassurance/help from others when the trail gets that difficult. It sounds like it's a true beat down, but could be a once in a lifetime ride. This thread has started to turn my thinking around that maybe I would like to try it. There's something to be said about being able to say "I did the Rubicon"......especially in a 100.

We usually get many "Can my rig make it" questions at this point in the planning. Some time ago I wrote the below narrative for a group that I was leading on the Rubicon. Thought I would share in case it helps anyone.

Can my rig make it through the Rubicon? That question is both easy and hard to answer at the same time. Almost any mild to moderate trail rig can “make it” to the end of the trail. The real questions are how hard will you have to work, what damage will you sustain, how many times will you get super stuck and delay others, and in the end will it be a good experience or a bad one.

If you have not done the trail, or similar hard trails before, it is difficult to know how you will react. Are you patient and cooperative? You need to be. Do you actually listen to a spotter and are you willing to accept help from others? I sure hope so.

Is your ego wrapped up in your rig and your success? Do you think that you know enough that you don’t need a pointer now and then? If so I will recommend a different run, one that I am not on.

There are many variations on how rigs are “set up” these days. Generally the bigger the tires, the lower the gears and the presence of lockers will make it easier. However, it is not correct to say that simply because a rig has these things, that it will be fine. A bad driver can have trouble with the best rig and a good driver can get most stock rigs down most trails.

The other sometimes serious issue with “built” rigs is the attention to the little things. Is the rest of the rig in good condition and properly maintained. Were the weak points that one modification created taken care of? Are the basics in good shape? I can’t count the number of times I have found myself with someone on the trail with what appears to be a “built” rig. Then we find out that the starter is acting up or the engine tends to overheat while crawling slowly. You can become “that guy” real fast in situations like this.

So you see the real answer is “it depends”. Is your rig set up with the traditional basic mods for this type of trail? Is it in good, no, is it in great shape otherwise. Are you prepared for vehicle damage? Some damage is probable and you have to accept the possibility that it could be worse. It happens to the best of us. Are you open minded and do you play well with others?

The best way to do a trail like Rubicon for the first time is with a group of people that have much more experience with the trail. With the right attitude it can be the best run you have ever been on.

Not trying to preach, just food for thought.
 
One more thing to add.....stole this from the Rubithon thread. Good info. I'm humble enough. In most cases, I'm doubting my own ability and look for reassurance/help from others when the trail gets that difficult. It sounds like it's a true beat down, but could be a once in a lifetime ride. This thread has started to turn my thinking around that maybe I would like to try it. There's something to be said about being able to say "I did the Rubicon"......especially in a 100.

Now you got it.

If anyone wants to pay to lock my truck, I'll do it next year as a not so veteran wheeler. Then we can really see how much is spotting, driving or truck.
 
Stan, when the Rising Sun Club did it we all had cameras and camcorders. I spliced the whole trip into a video so you can pretty much see the trail and all the hard obstacles. You can see people being spotted through tight areas that would make you sweat if you were on your own, but with one of your friends spotting you through it comes across as easy. You can at least see it in two dimensions rather than this mythical trail you have to envision in your imagination

The first part is just for humor with my favorite aussie Toyota ad. I had just come back from a month in Alice Springs.

The second part is a picture flow through the whole trip

The last part is the spliced videos from all the cameras over the entire trip. It does get long but you can forward to the obstacles. Kind of cool in some spots flipping between different camera footage for the same rig on the same obstacle.

You can see my one ding at the end going up Cadillac hill where I was spotted into the rock, That's Mudrack taking over spotting me out. No harm, just a minor ding. Just remember like woody says, if you aren't willing to ding it up, stay home. :D

I uploaded the video to Youtube. Here is the link to the 2008 Rising Sun Rubithon Trip

again its long. I would look at the picture view and then fast forward through the obstacles on the video to get a better view

You can see in the video that the challenge is really to not lose focus after the full days of wheeling. Every obstacle is doable, its just long FUN days of it.

Maybe we should do another trip in 2014

A lot of people look at this picture of Blackbear pass and are freaked out by it. Its not really like that when you get there. It's more the legend of the trail that scares people

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I think a lot of the misunderstanding about the trail is that it changes throughout the season as sections are stacked and un-stacked. Go right after a Jeep Jamboree and the trail is pretty much paved, follow a group of rock buggies on 40's and it's much different.
I think this explains how so many people how such different impressions of the trail.
 
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A lot of people look at this picture of Blackbear pass and are freaked out by it. Its not really like that when you get there. It's more the legend of the trail that scares people

Comparing Rubicon to Black Bear is not fair or close IMO. You can run BB in a 100% stock 100 series with an inexperienced driver and be hard pressed to get any damage. Non would be true or smart on the Rubicon.
 
Comparing Rubicon to Black Bear is not fair or close IMO. You can run BB in a 100% stock 100 series with an inexperienced driver and be hard pressed to get any damage. Non would be true or smart on the Rubicon.

Phil - I would agree I was attempting to talk about the legend of the trail not compare the difficulty. The Rubicon I ran was not as hard as the Rubicon I heard about. You see that picture of Black Bear and you think the trail is much harder than it is. It is pretty easy and scenic and the pucker factor is no where near what that picture shows

Trails with comparable obstacles here in Colorado would be Holy Cross and Chinamans Gulch and even a few spots on Spring Creek. But the difference is those trails have several obstacles throughout the day where as the Rubicon has many more all day.

That's why I posted the video so people could see the trail
 
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I think a lot of the misunderstanding about the trail is that it changes throughout the season as sections are stacked and un-stacked. Go right after a Jeep Jamboree and the trail is pretty much paved, follow a group of rock buggies on 40's and it's much different.
I think this explains how so many people how such different impressions of the trail.

see...here's your problem...you keep trying to inject facts and first hand knowledge into a thread loaded with fantasy by people who've never run the trail...

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see...here's your problem...you keep trying to inject facts and first hand knowledge into a thread loaded with fantasy by people who've never run the trail...

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This is in your own signature line....

"I have more respect for people who change their views after acquiring new information than for those who cling to views they held thirty years ago. The world changes. Ideologues and zealots don't." - Michael Crichton

I have never run the Rubicon. Not in a 100 or any other vehicle. I always felt my desire and my vehicle were not ready/able to tackle it. After reading your posts/first hand knowledge, and those of others who've run it, I think that with the help of others, it's possible. Where's the fantasy in that?
I mentioned I didn't think the 100 was Rubicon material (and still don't), but, was corrected, admitted I had no clue what I was talking about and have been somewhat convinced in the other direction by folks with first hand knowledge.....
 
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Disagree. The older rigs are harder to find replacement body parts for. I don't push my rig harder, I choose the easiest lines because I have to drive my rig home, too.
In some spots on the Rubicon, 2 or 3 inches can make the difference between a clean pass and needing a new door, or a taillight, or a mirror...





the funny thing is everyone is always talking about hom much bigger the 100 is than the 80, and now how much bigger the 200 is then the 100 etc.. but they are all with in an inch or so of each other width wise, and a couple 2 or 3 inches in length, pretty damn close to the same size! it's just the older rigs get the more willing the owners are to accept more damage etc, so they push them harder, which in turn puts them places that the newer rigs don't go based on the owner more than performance or size! imo:cheers:

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This tire smoke makes me think these 100s weren't even locked.

Unweighted wheel can still spin quite a bit even with ATRAC depending on technique. We also can't tell if PS was spinning.
 
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