Which would you buy, a BJ60 or a HJ60?
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My Safari turbo 2H has more grunt than a 12HT or 1HZ. All the turbo kits let the 2H put out more torque and H.P. than the standard factory turbo Motor. Why compare a non turbo motor to a turbo Motor? Does a turboed 3B put out the same HP as a non turbo 3B, NO. Why are we still comparing apples with oranges?FFS.
http://www.axtturbo.com.au/toy2H.html
http://www.turboglide.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=74
http://www.turboglide.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=8
http://www.axtturbo.com.au/toy2H.html
http://www.turboglide.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=74
http://www.turboglide.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=8
After driving some buddyes 12H-T my 2H-T, 1HZ-T and 1HD-T I'm pretty sure that the direct injection make a hole diferent ..
Also the compresion on non factory turbo engines with aftermarket turbo and in the same range or more of boost .. sure make more power !
Also the compresion on non factory turbo engines with aftermarket turbo and in the same range or more of boost .. sure make more power !
Just to keep your blood pressure up my friend
Cheers!
Sheldon
The blood pressure is fine perhaps the patience is not.
. Reading silly statements like this reminds me of 14 and 15 year olds debating Ford verses Commodore Forums with all their worldly experience of driving and rebuilding motors. 
Perhaps I am expecting too much looking for a more impartial opinion especially when the people making statements like this have very limited experience with the particular motor. 12Ht is a great motor as we are all aware but it was dropped from production because it could not meet European emissions. Also because of the limited production some parts are no longer available now. You can just about get common 2H and 1HZ parts at most out of the way places.
OK firstly, what the heck is a commodore?
Secondly, I do have plenty of experience driving a cruiser with a 2H motor. My folks got an HJ60 when I was 18, so I have done plenty of miles including road trips all over the western USA and Canada in a 2H powered 60. It was a great truck until you got into the grades or if you were towing anything, (much like BJ60) Unfortunately it cracked it's rings at 350k km. It got rebuilt to the tune of $6000 in Toyota parts an labour and still runs to this day.
I have since owned a BJ42, BJ70 repowered it to 13B-T, HJ61, FZJ80 and repowered it to 1HD-T. I have put plenty of miles on a HZJ77 too. So don't talk at me like I don't have the experience to make the call.
Secondly, I do have plenty of experience driving a cruiser with a 2H motor. My folks got an HJ60 when I was 18, so I have done plenty of miles including road trips all over the western USA and Canada in a 2H powered 60. It was a great truck until you got into the grades or if you were towing anything, (much like BJ60) Unfortunately it cracked it's rings at 350k km. It got rebuilt to the tune of $6000 in Toyota parts an labour and still runs to this day.
I have since owned a BJ42, BJ70 repowered it to 13B-T, HJ61, FZJ80 and repowered it to 1HD-T. I have put plenty of miles on a HZJ77 too. So don't talk at me like I don't have the experience to make the call.
The commodore is a GM product that comes in a variety of configurations with V6 or 5.7 and 6.0 ltr V8.
This is the ute version and is due to be sold in the US later this year badged as a Pontiac
Its body is derived from the Opel Commodore sold in Europe but the aussie ones have bigger motors,heavy duty suspension ,drivelines and a heap of other improvements so Farmer Jones can belt along dirt roads at a 140 kph without it falling to bits
or it could be my cool new computer
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LOL You told me this in your PM last time but driving one is something else, LOL my wife can do that but she does not help rebuilding. I mentioned two blokes to you in my PM, one who has been rebuilding diesel engines in his workshop/ machine shop for over the 35 years now. This is what I call experienced Ok, and I told you why he would not do a write up on all the Toyota diesel and Petrol engines. Have you driven a turbo 2H , I do not really believe so from your comments even though the power graphs were posted above.
I have gone co-pilot in a turbo HJ60. It went like hell. It makes a night an day diference. It also cracked a ring about 2 months later, yes I know, this never happens in AUS. It was not likely the turbo's fault, more likely the Naturaly Asprirated 250k plus Kms running pedal to the floor everywhere.
I believe Ricks "Dog" comment was directed to a STOCK 2H in an HJ60. Turbo 2H guys needn't get all bent out of shape. I maintain that if a person put a Turbo and set of gauges on a 2H when it was new or very early in life that it would have been much better for the engine and they would have lasted much longer over here.
HKS3SGTE makes the best point of all, get the 60 with least rust. Engine repairs is no sweat, rust work SUCKS.
Cheers
I believe Ricks "Dog" comment was directed to a STOCK 2H in an HJ60. Turbo 2H guys needn't get all bent out of shape. I maintain that if a person put a Turbo and set of gauges on a 2H when it was new or very early in life that it would have been much better for the engine and they would have lasted much longer over here.
HKS3SGTE makes the best point of all, get the 60 with least rust. Engine repairs is no sweat, rust work SUCKS.
Cheers
Yep, I aggree! Rust is nasty!
Ja .. nice 2H vs 3B thread .. ( again ! )
Here I have driven here some BJ-60 and other HJ-60 from stock and with good shape engines and other with plenty of rust and old smokers as engines ..
The issue is .. 3B are a good engines .. more noisy than a 2H but fine .. so in all situations you must need compare oranges with oranges ..
We need go into those specs charts and comare numers of 3B and 2H engines and make a run test with totaly rebuild engines, stock ( or same ) tires, suspensions accesories ( like roof rack ) and weight ..
Not to mention R&P ..
Also .. need to make frecuently test runs ( about 50,000 km in between ) up to 200,000 and sure throught this period keep the same range and quality of oil changes and services ..
After all that work we can say this combo is better ..
Here I have driven here some BJ-60 and other HJ-60 from stock and with good shape engines and other with plenty of rust and old smokers as engines ..
The issue is .. 3B are a good engines .. more noisy than a 2H but fine .. so in all situations you must need compare oranges with oranges ..
We need go into those specs charts and comare numers of 3B and 2H engines and make a run test with totaly rebuild engines, stock ( or same ) tires, suspensions accesories ( like roof rack ) and weight ..
Not to mention R&P ..
Also .. need to make frecuently test runs ( about 50,000 km in between ) up to 200,000 and sure throught this period keep the same range and quality of oil changes and services ..
After all that work we can say this combo is better ..
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I agree with tapage, but unfortunately that is not a viable option.
I'd say that the 2h is a better engine for the 60 anyway because of how heavy it is, and then how heavy it will be after one adds a roof rack, bumpers, a bigger fuel tank and most importantly bigger tires.
I'd say that the 2h is a better engine for the 60 anyway because of how heavy it is, and then how heavy it will be after one adds a roof rack, bumpers, a bigger fuel tank and most importantly bigger tires.
It also cracked a ring about 2 months later, yes I know, this never happens in AUS.
LOL, How's the blood pressure yourself. Mate, All types of diesel engines crack rings, it's a fact , even in Australia. Probably crook injectors or a worn pump causing faulty detonation and incorrect head temperatures along with general overheating or lack of oil are the main concerns, even too much oil in the combustion chamber causing deposits..Ask people who own a 3B or 2H " when was the last time you adjusted your tappets". Most people here say "I don't know do they need checking?" LOL Should be adjusted at least every 12 months not after valves have burnt out or the rocker shaft has worn to some weird angle ,again causing incorrect detonation..
LOL, How's the blood pressure yourself. Mate, All types of diesel engines crack rings, it's a fact , even in Australia. Probably crook injectors or a worn pump causing faulty detonation and incorrect head temperatures along with general overheating or lack of oil are the main concerns, even too much oil in the combustion chamber causing deposits..Ask people who own a 3B or 2H " when was the last time you adjusted your tappets". Most people here say "I don't know do they need checking?" LOL Should be adjusted at least every 12 months not after valves have burnt out or the rocker shaft has worn to some weird angle ,again causing incorrect detonation..
tappets ? how I can eat this .. ?
Aussie speak for valves.
My valves were adjusted this past summer but one of the issues with valves that is not often thought about is the wear at the end of the rocker arms. That wear can easily make setting ones valves pointless. I'm going to be on the hunt for a new or machineable set of rockers for my truck.
Exactly.
Getting them machined for a 3B or 2H is ok. My mate tells me after machining they are actually a bit softer but if you check them once a year or more often if you are doing a very high mileage they will still last for years. Of course if they are badly worn its a throw away and new ones are very expensive and should be fitted with new cam followers and pushrods,LOL if this is the case I am quite sure that a new or reground cam will be needed. All part of diesel maintainence Good to hear. cheers
Funny you should ask, the health nurse said I have the blood pressure of a teenage girl. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
In any event. I am tired of arguing about 2H and 3B engines. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Everyone can do thier own research and make the decision that is best for them.
Cheers.
Sheldon