Which would you buy, a BJ60 or a HJ60?

[cruiser_guy]

Any pictures of your truck in El Salvador? Other than the one on the border???

I don't take too many pictures of the truck. Usually only when I waiting around. The time at the Salvadorian border I happened to hit it when everyone was going for lunch. It ended up taking about 3 hours to get through!

My current 'mud avitar is at the entry to Tikal in Guatemala. I was waiting for the kids to go through the zip line right at the park entrance.

If you go to http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=54 and look up me you'll see more Central American photos.

There is a trip with the guys from the 4wdtrips.net site down to ElGolfo in a month or two, why not join up?

 

[Tapage]

Awesome. Good call. When did you have to rebuild your engine Tapage? By that I meant how many kms?

At 447,*** km start overheating with light efford .. so I thought it's time to rebuild. I do it from scratch, rings, pistons, valves, head, etc etc etc etc .. and now 501*** ( more than millon ) km I'm very happy ..

Actually with turbo and intercooler are really nice ..

I thought is very hard to compare 3B with 2H engines .. with turbo or without it are great engines ..

Rosco type here the hole truth !

One of the biggest enemies of underpowered diesels like the 3B and 2H engines,is drivers not accepting their limitations and they constantly get revved too high in an attempt to get more power.

 

[hks3sgte]

OT

I don't take too many pictures of the truck. Usually only when I waiting around. The time at the Salvadorian border I happened to hit it when everyone was going for lunch. It ended up taking about 3 hours to get through!

My current 'mud avitar is at the entry to Tikal in Guatemala. I was waiting for the kids to go through the zip line right at the park entrance.

If you go to http://www.4wdtrips.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=54 and look up me you'll see more Central American photos.

There is a trip with the guys from the 4wdtrips.net site down to ElGolfo in a month or two, why not join up?

Nice site! And really nice pictures. I must say, your truck really looks in place in Central America.

I would love to join for a trip, but I don't think I would be able to afford the petrol usage of the 2F

 

[GLTHFJ60]

One of the biggest enemies of underpowered diesels like the 3B and 2H engines,is drivers not accepting their limitations and they constantly get revved too high in an attempt to get more power.

This definitely seems like a common theme. Just out of curiosity, what is the redline of the 2H?


Now in terms of rebuild costs and difficulty, how bad is it? Extremely expensive and difficult or not too bad?

 

[cruiser_guy]

OT

Nice site! And really nice pictures. I must say, your truck really looks in place in Central America.

I would love to join for a trip, but I don't think I would be able to afford the petrol usage of the 2F

Take the trip to El Golfo for starters. It's only a couple of hours from LA! Sign up on the site and then take a look in future trips. I'll be there in March and you can check out a turbo-diesel '60!!

I'll also be through LA the week before. PM if you want to get together.

 

[Tapage]

This definitely seems like a common theme. Just out of curiosity, what is the redline of the 2H?

4 k .. but yellow line start at 3500 rpm .. I'm not usualy go over over 3k rpm ..

Now in terms of rebuild costs and difficulty, how bad is it? Extremely expensive and difficult or not too bad?

Here a total overhaul to any 2H engine is quite simple .. you have many options in parts .. and I spend around 3500 USD in parts ( Toyota ) including clutch ( plate, disk and bearings )

 

[brownbear]

The 3-4 3B and 13BT powered cruisers Ive looked at were all pretty worn out around 350k klm.
I dont disagree that they are capable of more,but its near impossible to find any engine that is 20+ years old that has been treated well and maintained religeously for the whole time.

One of the biggest enemies of underpowered diesels like the 3B and 2H engines,is drivers not accepting their limitations and they constantly get revved too high in an attempt to get more power.

Also people have different opinions of what constitutes a worn engine. Some believe it is showing signs of wear when it wont start any more

Me , I think its when it begins to blow blue smoke or uses any oil I want to get rid of it

IMO ,rather than pay good money for a high miler I would rather buy a dead one and have it rebuilt proffessionally and know its good,whether its a 3B or 2H.

The ONLY Toyota diesel that reguarly reaches 500k+ klms with reasonable compression is the 12HT

I know we are dealing with entirely different markets here. In Oz the driving is most certainly different than average Canada.

I am think in Oz that 400k kms is hard beaten kms. Where as most of the kms in Canada would be easy on the truck. With decent but very long highways here even s***ty chevys get 300k kms on them. So 3b's make 5-600k.

It's a different life. We really can't compare. Yours eat dust and over heat. Our breath clean cool air but are cold

 

[brownbear]

Fawk the engine, If your importing from Canada the main concern is rust. The engine is generally the least of your problems.

 

[brownbear]

Take the trip to El Golfo for starters. It's only a couple of hours from LA! Sign up on the site and then take a look in future trips. I'll be there in March and you can check out a turbo-diesel '60!!

I'll also be through LA the week before. PM if you want to get together.

One day I would love to visit you there!!!

 

[cruiser_guy]

One day I would love to visit you there!!!

You MIGHT be able to visit me at the March Coastal Cruisers meeting. We'll be going south the next day!

 

[roscoFJ73]

I know we are dealing with entirely different markets here. In Oz the driving is most certainly different than average Canada.

I am think in Oz that 400k kms is hard beaten kms. Where as most of the kms in Canada would be easy on the truck. With decent but very long highways here even s***ty chevys get 300k kms on them. So 3b's make 5-600k.

It's a different life. We really can't compare. Yours eat dust and over heat. Our breath clean cool air but are cold

I guess there is some truth in it,but not all aussies vehicles are in the heat and the dust. Most people live in the cooler south where the climate is like California(I imagine) and we have real roads.

However %98 of us do live on the coast and those who go wheeling in coastal areas know that small diesels with low HP do not do well in sand dunes

Next time I see someone with a dyna or coaster I will make a point of asking them what sort of Klms they have clocked.
Its easier to find a dyna or a coaster with a 3B.Nearly all the B powered cruisers have disapeared or have had some horrible V8 conversion done.

 

[eppy]

Where can i buy these pistons?

 

[roscoFJ73]

Where can i buy these pistons?

Which pistons? Whatever they are ,it is better and maybe cheaper to buy a whole rebuild kit.

Both H and B engines were sold in Europe so I would look there ist

 

[mac]

I've had both and do prefer the 3b. It's simply cheaper to operate with 2 less cylinders, i.e., glow plugs, injectors, fuel consumption and when it comes time to rebuild it is a factor as well. That said, if your looking for one of these two engines, try and find the best one for the money you have budgeted. Don't just look at the engine- the body and injection pump are both factors to consider. For example, I would take an HJ60 with high miles and a fine body over a BJ60 with a fresh rebuild and rusted out frame.
Both engines will get you there, both slowly and you'll be happy with either one if you find the best truck for your money.

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

I had a HJ60, my first diesel. I absolutely loved it and still miss it a lot.. At low elevations, upstate NY where I am from originally, it was awesome and almost wish I'd just left it stock.. Out here in 5000ft base elevations, it became a dog.. Turbo was nice but it was about as powerful as a good running 2F, not much more.. But that said it was a great truck.. I liked the HJ60 a lot.. The BJ60s seem a little more old school versus the 2H.. There were a lot of nice creature comforts and features with the HJ60... I also just turboed a BJ42 with 33" tires with a professional kit. It does well but again is a slight dog.. Maybe because of the elevation, I honestly couldn't ever imagine a 3B in a 60, good for around town and such but lack of power kind of wears you down, especially on road trips & such.. Believe me I know from the HJ60.. My $.02 on it. I like the post above, I would look at the complete truck versus just the motor. Each are fine. 5th gear is awesome / borderline mandatory in my opinion, for what its worth... Andre

 

[rick_d]

your shopping for a total truck, and looking toward canada for a diesel legally importable truck.

Unless a miracle, your not going to find a wonderful BJ60 or HJ60, and the costs to obtain will exceed your budget.

You can't get a JDM HJ61 imported legally, which would be your best bet for low rust truck, even spending $4,000 more.

I think you should find a good, solid, gasser and convert- if a FJ60, 62, or 80.

I know I'll get slammed by someone, but I don't believe in pre 1990 production engines anymore. The 3B, like it's little cousin the 22R were great engines in their day, but they are old and you can find a fresh HZ or HDT to convert very easily. The 2H was a dog (103 bhp!!), and you will still search out pre 1990 parts.

Choose a HZ- they have been made essentially the same for 17 years with one change in 1998. The 3B was only made 8 years, the 13B-T less, the 12H-T less, etc.

 

[Tapage]

The 2H was a dog (103 bhp!!), .

 

[biocruiser]

I've never owned a 3B but I am the current owner of Andre's HJ60 mentioned above and it has been an awesome truck. I use it in Mexico at sea level and it doesn't feel doggish to me ever. I ran it on biodiesel for a year and then had the injectors pulled before I drove it 3,000 miles down to the Yucatan and the mech said everything is looking great. In the last year in Mexico I've put it through a regular combination of freeway runs mixed with light-duty wheeling, working back in the jungle and she's performed very well, never let me down. Andre's mods (SOA, turbo, 33s, AC) were perfect for the current use which requires some comfort when driving clients around, but also functionality for exploring/accessing deep jungle with uneven rocky terrain, not to mention driving through deep, water-filled holes after hurricanes. Currently 350,000ish km and going strong.

p.s. yo 'dre, come down for a visit anytime and take her for a spin.

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

that is so cool

Thanks Cam!

 

[Freewheel]

ya I have to disagree with the "2H is a dog" comment too. I took a 4 banger 4runner for a test drive once - that was a dog. I find the 2H fairly spirited considering how much weight it's pulling around. I do have the 5 speed tho'...